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• • June 22, 2022 at 2:58 am #14366878
    Rivkah Lewis

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    I’m designing a dual language book.
    Right now, I’m working on the asnwer key at the end of the book and as you can see from this image:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/bz1lb9z1av4dpep/text-direction.jpg?dl=0
    there is Hebrew text scattered within the English text.

    For the most part, things are fine.
    The English has a paragraph style and the Hebrew has a character style. But then randomly, some of the text will flip – you can see I’ve highlighted 2 places it happened. And its not even the whole paragraph! The selected text’s language is set to English.
    I can’t figure out why this is happening or how to make sure it doesn’t happen/fix it.

    Any ideas?

    One more note: When I select the 3rd answer #1 and I change it from Adobe World-Ready paragraph composer back to Adobe Paragraph Compser, the English sorts itself out, but the Hebrew is backwards.

    TIA

  • June 22, 2022 at 3:23 am #14366879
    Steve Davis

    Participant

    I work with English and Hebrew all the time… Adobe World Composer should fix it – however, if whoever sourced/inputted the text used LTR character direction in their input of the Hebrew, then you will need to alter the stylesheet.

  • June 22, 2022 at 3:33 am #14366880
    Steve Davis

    Participant

    I took a closer look at your screenshot, the reverse applies to your English.

  • June 22, 2022 at 3:36 am #14366881
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    So what you are saying is whomever typed this up in Word didn’t switch something properly?
    As you can see on the screenshot, most lines are fine. Some are not.

    Any easy fixes?

    • June 22, 2022 at 3:37 am #14366882
      Steve Davis

      Participant

      Check the character direction.

  • June 22, 2022 at 4:32 am #14366883
    Jk112358

    Participant

    Just remember there’s Character Direction, Paragraph Direction, and Page Direction when working with RTL and LTR text. All 3 need to be changed for a RTL book. And mixing them in a book like you are working on.

    On a side note, I love how the Arrow Keys aren’t Left and Right, but rather Backwards and Forwards.

  • June 22, 2022 at 11:28 am #14366886
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    But it still doesn’t seem that there is any quick fix – meaning the pages will have to be gone through and checked for flipped text (it’s going to be proofed anyway, but I don’t want to send a messy file).

  • June 22, 2022 at 12:30 pm #14366887
    Steve Davis

    Participant

    Share a page of your InDesign file with the suspect text please

  • June 22, 2022 at 4:45 pm #14366889
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Lots of various links to review on this topic… not all of these scripts and tools work anymore! (For example, World Tools hasn’t been updated in a long time)
    Diane Burns on typesetting RTL languages:

    Issue 13: Top 10 Bridge Tips

    Free Script for Hebrew or Arabic Text in Regular Version of InDesign

    Typesetting Hebrew and Other Languages in English InDesign

    A Modern Day Chanukah Miracle. Right to Left Language Features Come to Life in InDesign CS4!

    AND… check this out:
    https://www.laidug.com/2022/#jun

  • June 22, 2022 at 6:07 pm #14366891
    Jk112358

    Participant

    Importing from Word may carry over extra formatting, which sounds like it may be the culprit. I realize it’s not “automatic” but if you clear the over-rides for a paragraph style, will that correct the reversed English? You may have to go through and apply a Character Style to all the Hebrew text (RTL direction and possibly font) and clear overrides. (Only available with the Middle East version of InDesign.)

    I’ve imported Word text, then go through and *find* all Italic text, and apply a Character Style of Italics, bold text to CStyle Bold, Bold Italic, etc. etc. Then I go through and apply the appropriate Paragraph style for each paragraph. Then… where Headings are Bold (in the Paragraph Style) I search for that and remove the Bold Character Style that was applied earlier. (Not really a big deal unless you export to epub – saves extra codeing there.) Then you can clear any over-rides left over and have clean text. Hopefully that makes sense!

  • June 22, 2022 at 10:14 pm #14366892
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    Just to clarify, I work with dual language projects a lot. And these are the back pages of a 200+pg book and so far everything has been OK.
    So I have my par and char styles set up correctly and everything has been OK until now.

    I think I’ve worked it out for this time. It would just be nice to understand better why this happens to have it run more smoothly in the future. But I imagine it was an input from Word issue.

    • June 22, 2022 at 11:48 pm #14366893
      Steve Davis

      Participant

      I work primarily in Hebrew but have a lot of dual-language content (Hebrew/English) and when this happens it is usually that whoever inputted the text (in Word mostly) has not inputted it as RTL and the style is inherited in the InDesign document.

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