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• • September 21, 2014 at 1:30 am #70688
    Rivkah Lewis

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    I am designing a book to teach English speakers Hebrew.
    The back has a dictionary of all the words in the book. The style of the dictionary right now is
    English Word \ Transliterated Hebrew Word \ Hebrew Word and then the opposite in the next section:
    Hebrew Word \ Transliterated Word \ English Word

    Some of the “words” are actually phrases. Right now, the punctuation is coming out on the wrong side.
    Ex: Be quiet! \ Sheket! \ ??????!
    Instead of: Be quiet! \ Sheket! \ !??????

    I have InTool’s World Ready plugin.
    So I made a character style to apply to the Hebrew with the correct text direction and then I tried a GREP find and replace with the following code:
    [^.,;:?!\d a-z|A-Z]+
    which is supposed to find all non-English characters. It gets all dashes too, but that’s not a problem.
    When I select an entire phrase with punctuation and apply my character style, it works perfectly. But the GREP is finding each individual word and not changing the punctuation placing.

    What am I doing wrong? How can I get it to select all non-English characters until it sees an English character (and thereby get the whole phrase) as opposed to taking each one individually and thereby accomplishing nothing?

    Thanks!

  • September 21, 2014 at 1:31 am #70689
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    I see now that it posted that the Hebrew is coming up as question marks, but you can see where the “!” is in any case in the 2 examples – one is to the right of the question marks and one is to the left.

  • September 29, 2014 at 10:48 am #70805
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    Anyone….?
    Doing this manually and it is soooo time consuming.

  • September 29, 2014 at 1:00 pm #70806
    Aaron Troia

    Participant

    Now I haven’t tried this in InDesign, but thought I would see if it would help, you might be able to do a search for Hebrew Unicode characters, it looks like the range is 0590–05FF, so you could try doing a search for [\x{0590}-\x{05FF}]+ to find only the Hebrew characters with the punctuation at the end in a separate group, then switching the groups in your change so the punctuation comes before the Hebrew Characters.

    Find: ([\x{0590}-\x{05FF}]+)([,.?!])
    Change To: $2$1

  • September 29, 2014 at 1:08 pm #70807
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    Thanks for taking the time to respond.
    The code does find the characters and the punctuation and does change them, the problem is it does the same thing as above – changes just that word and doesn’t work on the phrase, so the punctuation ends up somewhere in the middle of the phrase.

  • September 29, 2014 at 1:59 pm #70809
    Aaron Troia

    Participant

    oh ok, I see, that does make it harder when you have phrases, I see now why you had the space in your character range. Now I tried this with Latin and it seems to have worked, all i did was introduce a space like you had into the character range so that it would keep going until it hit punctuation.

    Find: ([\x{0590}-\x{05FF} ]+)([.,;:?!])
    Change: $2$1

  • September 30, 2014 at 12:25 am #70814
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    It works for some of them, but not all of them.
    Phrases that have ellipses or parenthesis are not working.

    Thanks!

  • October 1, 2014 at 7:43 am #70829
    Chris Thompson

    Member

    How about a different solution:
    1. use a table, 3 columns, English / transliteration / Hebrew
    2. select column 3 and apply a suitable RTL character style.

    Chris.

  • October 1, 2014 at 11:12 pm #70847
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    Hi Chris,

    Good idea – I originally had it set up like that. But it was taking up too much room and was giving me grief with long phrases. I couldn’t have the format as I wrote above: Word \ Transliteration \ Hebrew word.
    It would come out like
    Word Transliteration Hebrew Word
    Longer Word Longer Transliteration Longer Hebrew Word
    with odd spacing. This would have been ok has I had one table per page, but the dictionary is in 2 columns and small – it was taking up too much room and its really like a reference at the back of the book.

  • October 1, 2014 at 11:13 pm #70848
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    My spacing didn’t come out accurately in the post.
    Imagine that the columns are lined up on my fake table, causing big white spaces :)

  • October 2, 2014 at 12:24 am #70849
    Chris Thompson

    Member

    OK, using my imagination…

    What if you:
    1. set up all of the the dictionary as a temporary table
    2. apply the RTL to the relevant column as above
    3. then convert the table back to text (using a space-slash-space for a column separator and carriage return for row separator)
    4. and flow it into your 2-column pages

    – wouldn’t it keep the RTL settings on the former “Hebrew column”?

    regards,
    Chris.

  • October 2, 2014 at 1:26 am #70850
    Rivkah Lewis

    Member

    That’s an interesting idea.
    I’m going to try it and a bit and let you know what happens.

    Cheers.

  • October 30, 2014 at 5:08 am #71305
    Jay-Art Sadjail

    Member

    Hi! I’m designing a yearbook and my problem is… is it possible to use find change in moving a word to another line? here the sample of the text i want to change the location

    Name
    nick name
    Email address
    Birthday
    Address
    Parent name mother
    Parent name father
    “Be of good courage and God shall strengthen your heart.”
    Honor(s):
    1st Place, Exhibit
    3rd Place, Cheerdance Competition
    Affiliation(s):
    Member, Association of Early Childhood Education Students
    Member, Senior Students’ Organization
    Member, United Future Educators
    Member, Youth for Christ
    Scholar, Garcia
    Love your duty, no matter how many hardships you face and no matter how uncertain the future that awaits. Have faith! Surely God will take you there.

    then i want to transfer the location of the nickname and the saying with qoute at the end of paragraph.. in order to match my design and my paragraph styles

  • October 30, 2014 at 5:35 am #71306
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Jay-Art, you can. Let’s say you have 7 paragraphs and you want to move the 3rd paragraph to the end.
    First, search for
    (.+\r)(.+\r)(.+\r)(.+\r)(.+\r)(.+\r)(.+\r)
    and then replace with
    $1$2$4$5$6$7$3

  • October 30, 2014 at 7:08 pm #71337
    Jay-Art Sadjail

    Member

    Thank you sir David. I was so happy coz learning in indesign I’m a fun of yours. I’ve tried it and it works to some data but on other data it messes my work since my paragraphs are not consistent. is there other way?…

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