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Raphael Freeman
Memberokay, so I was really suprised by your post because this was my solution but it didn't work. Then I went back to CS4 and tried and lo and behold it works great. Except that I'm using CS5….
I wonder if this perhaps isn't a problem in CS5 any more….
hmmm…
anybody out there?
MemberI understand your method of avoiding the problem to start with. But that isn't my question. My question is, if the file hasn't been built “correctly” or with layers as you suggest, how do I see if I'm going to have a problem without first ripping my files and getting feedback from the printers?
I can just as easily make sure to bring all the text to the front. But again, I'm not getting feedback.
Think of it like this. The printers don't want any files to be RGB. I can make sure that this happens by either using the preflight panel in ID or preflighting in Acrobat. This is a feedback that I've made a mistake. Your solution to this is, “don't put any RGB images into ID and convert first in Photoshop”. Do you see my problem?
Memberokay, but how do I test that I've actually done that? If I accidentally delete a word on the screen, I have feedback: the word is gone. If I accidentally colour a word in purple, again, I have feedback, the word is purple. This is the case in the pdf too. The word gets deleted or the word turns purple. But if I have the text on the wrong layer for whatever reason, how do I know?
Memberokay, so I was really suprised by your post because this was my solution but it didn't work. Then I went back to CS4 and tried and lo and behold it works great. Except that I'm using CS5….
I wonder if this perhaps isn't a problem in CS5 any more….
hmmm…
anybody out there?
MemberI understand your method of avoiding the problem to start with. But that isn't my question. My question is, if the file hasn't been built “correctly” or with layers as you suggest, how do I see if I'm going to have a problem without first ripping my files and getting feedback from the printers?
I can just as easily make sure to bring all the text to the front. But again, I'm not getting feedback.
Think of it like this. The printers don't want any files to be RGB. I can make sure that this happens by either using the preflight panel in ID or preflighting in Acrobat. This is a feedback that I've made a mistake. Your solution to this is, “don't put any RGB images into ID and convert first in Photoshop”. Do you see my problem?
Memberokay, but how do I test that I've actually done that? If I accidentally delete a word on the screen, I have feedback: the word is gone. If I accidentally colour a word in purple, again, I have feedback, the word is purple. This is the case in the pdf too. The word gets deleted or the word turns purple. But if I have the text on the wrong layer for whatever reason, how do I know?
MemberJust my two cents, but actually I think everyone is looking at this the wrong way round.
I once calculated for the line resolution that we were printing at that the dpi should be 229 dpi. I told my clients that they should put their images at 300 dpi so that if they needed to enlarge the image in Quark (this was years ago — We had Quadras then :-) ) then they would be safe.
But you must remember that in those days, everyone wanted to know the smallest resolution they could get away with, not the other way round. A 600 dpi file was huge for those computers and the RIP would take much longer to RIP a file (also images that were rotated in Quark and not pre-rotated in Photoshop also were a nightmare for the RIP). Therefore we needed to know the maximum resolution that wouldn't make the postscript file (this is pre-pdf which automatically crops and scales the file accordingly) fit onto an optical disk.
As far as how low the resolution can go really depends on the image in question, what size it's going to actually print at (a physically small image isn't going to make much of a difference), the kind of paper being used etc.
As a rule of thumb, if your image is 300 dpi, it will be fine, but if the image is for example a map with fine text which has been scanned, then I would want to scan it at the highest resolution eg 1200 dpi.
MemberJust my two cents, but actually I think everyone is looking at this the wrong way round.
I once calculated for the line resolution that we were printing at that the dpi should be 229 dpi. I told my clients that they should put their images at 300 dpi so that if they needed to enlarge the image in Quark (this was years ago — We had Quadras then :-) ) then they would be safe.
But you must remember that in those days, everyone wanted to know the smallest resolution they could get away with, not the other way round. A 600 dpi file was huge for those computers and the RIP would take much longer to RIP a file (also images that were rotated in Quark and not pre-rotated in Photoshop also were a nightmare for the RIP). Therefore we needed to know the maximum resolution that wouldn't make the postscript file (this is pre-pdf which automatically crops and scales the file accordingly) fit onto an optical disk.
As far as how low the resolution can go really depends on the image in question, what size it's going to actually print at (a physically small image isn't going to make much of a difference), the kind of paper being used etc.
As a rule of thumb, if your image is 300 dpi, it will be fine, but if the image is for example a map with fine text which has been scanned, then I would want to scan it at the highest resolution eg 1200 dpi.
MemberNot true. For example in 32-bit Win7, pdfs show thumbnails at all icon sizes, in 64-bit this isn't the case. I have read in other places on the net that there are all sorts of problems in 64-bit. Not sure why it works for you and other people have problems, but other people DO have problems and as I say, I have currently 4 machines on 64-bit (and this week it will be another 3) with these issues. I don't think it's an ME issue unless it's a ID 6.0.2 issue which was fixed in 6.0.4 (which is not available yet for ME)
MemberNot true. For example in 32-bit Win7, pdfs show thumbnails at all icon sizes, in 64-bit this isn't the case. I have read in other places on the net that there are all sorts of problems in 64-bit. Not sure why it works for you and other people have problems, but other people DO have problems and as I say, I have currently 4 machines on 64-bit (and this week it will be another 3) with these issues. I don't think it's an ME issue unless it's a ID 6.0.2 issue which was fixed in 6.0.4 (which is not available yet for ME)
MemberNot true. For example in 32-bit Win7, pdfs show thumbnails at all icon sizes, in 64-bit this isn't the case. I have read in other places on the net that there are all sorts of problems in 64-bit. Not sure why it works for you and other people have problems, but other people DO have problems and as I say, I have currently 4 machines on 64-bit (and this week it will be another 3) with these issues. I don't think it's an ME issue unless it's a ID 6.0.2 issue which was fixed in 6.0.4 (which is not available yet for ME)
MemberNot true. For example in 32-bit Win7, pdfs show thumbnails at all icon sizes, in 64-bit this isn't the case. I have read in other places on the net that there are all sorts of problems in 64-bit. Not sure why it works for you and other people have problems, but other people DO have problems and as I say, I have currently 4 machines on 64-bit (and this week it will be another 3) with these issues. I don't think it's an ME issue unless it's a ID 6.0.2 issue which was fixed in 6.0.4 (which is not available yet for ME)
Memberyes, but you can't do anything with that. I want the ability to see what the list is, where they are, have the ability to rename them, or delete them (like hyperlinks).
Memberyes, but you can't do anything with that. I want the ability to see what the list is, where they are, have the ability to rename them, or delete them (like hyperlinks).
MemberI would definately prep in Word. Then I would typeset in InDesign but not sure why you would only use a Mac. InDesign works very well on a PC. Of course you should only use OpenType so that you can be crossplatform in case you decide to switch between Win7 and Snow Leopard, but in terms of Word it's irrelevant. You don't need to be using the same font in Word that you are using in InDesign.
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