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Lindsey Martin
MemberI think that this is a Unicode paragraph separator (U+2029; HTMLÂ ). What is odd, though, is that as far as I know Times New Roman does not have a glyph to display this text formatting character. At the least the two versions of TNR that I checked do not. You are welcome to send a snippet with the passage to me at crych at telus dot net. It’s an interesting problem though, without knowing the proximate and ultimate sources of the text, it is hard to figure out where this error was introduced.
The other thing I note is that the following verse should be ’34 Et Jacob donna …’, not ’33 Et Jacob donna …’. Were the numbers of the verses inserted as xref, or code of some sort. Was the text imported from HTML where the numbers of the verses were links?
MemberI use Text Exporter (Rorohiko) to export text from ID to RTF frequently. I just tested a file that I had handed off to an author by placing the edited version in a blank doc. I didn’t bother to place it in the template where it originated because I recall that it came in quite well. In this case, most of the text came it with styles intact, each style marked as imported. Footnotes didn’t keep their style and, where the author had added paragraphs, some had picked up the para. style from the subhead before though the formatting was fine. So, it doesn’t appear that Text Exporter is the problem.
Did you check the import options when importing?
MemberSorry about the URL ; cut ‘>’ from the end. And, you will probably get more response if you post this to the general discussion. Search there as well and see Peter Kahrel’s article in Indesign Magazine 95 Mar 2017 for discussion and some work-arounds.
MemberYes, it is a long-standing, gaping hole in ID’s capabilites, much discussed and frequently requested. Adobe’s bug report / wish list is here: <https://www.adobe.com/products/wishform.html> ; you could add your complaints to those of others. If you are active on Twitter, a series of tweets with a creative use of hashtags might serve to bring new attention to the issue. Fresh voices can be a help ; some of us have been complaining about these faults for so long that I’m sure the InDesign team has a special box labelled ‘Grumply Old Malcontents’.
On the other hand, my layman’s impression is that coding notes for tables is not a trivial task because of the way content is contained in cells. <GOM>My opinion, for what it’s worth, is that the implementation of tables in ID is fundamentally flawed,</GOM> but that’s another discussion.
And, I think I recall hearing that Adobe would be addressing this fairly soon; can’t remember the source at the moment.
MemberI had a look at the document in ID CC 2017 on my Mac. Typing lags, though not as badly as you describe. Deleting x-refs changes nothing. Lag disappears when a passage is copied to a new document. Scrolling and moving graphics is normal so the problem appears to be connected with the type, though changing the fonts applied is not a remedy. I suspect Extensis Font Management, which shows up as a missing plug-in in Component Information (InDesign menu > command + About InDesign …). I don’t use it so the passage in a new document could be edited without lag.
As an aside, I suggest that if you work with this sort of material a lot, you might have a look at Vincent Connare’s Magpie (available from Dalton Maag). It’s a nice compact font and has the glyphs for versical and response.
MemberI use MathType, which is integrated with MSWord, but not with ID. One has to place the equations as a PDF or an image. I chose MathType because, at the time if I recall correctly, the cost of MathTools was quite a bit higher, I only need to work with equations occasionally, and all manuscripts come to me in MSWord. I believe the equation editor in MSWord is an integrated, simplified, version of MathType.
The price of two applications seems about the same now. You can set up a template in MathType that specifies the font(s) to be used.
MemberIt’s a bug and appears to be of long standing. But, it might be better to call it an edge case. I suspect that at Adobe discretionary hyphens were supposed not to affect the display in PDF and, since there was no outcry that this was not the case, the odd behaviour under the hood upon export from ID was ignored, especially since I doubt many people now produce PDF from ID using Print. Your exporting PDFs to XML exposed the oddity when you did.
Did you file a bug report with Adobe? Feel free to use my post above if you do.
Have you tried exporting the passage to XML or EPUB directly from ID? I meant to do so but havn’t yet had the time.
MemberSasha, your request would be a useful addition to ID’s feature set, if we could define exactly what is needed. ‘Short words’ is probably not an adequate criterion (though it might be an adequate proxy) as I think that the words you want to bring over when they stand at the end of a line fall into grammatical categories: articles, conjunctions and prepositions. I do as you do all the time but I usually avoid your problems by making this sort of adjustment only after text and geometry is final. I can imagine cases where this is not possible.
MemberI tested this on Mac OS 10.11.6 with ID CC 2017 and on Windows 7 with ID CS4 (6.0.6), exporting using standard ‘High Quality Print’. I checked the PDFs using Acrobat Pro DC on Mac and and Acrobat Reader DC on Windows and couldn’t see any spurious spaces. But, when I opened the test files in Illustrator (CS4 on Windows; CC 2017 on Mac) it is clear that there are spurious characters in the PDF. In both cases, there appears to be a series of end-of-paragraph marks where the discretionary hyphen was. In Illustrator, I couldn’t get the cursor to run past the hidden characters in either direction nor could I select them.
I could select and copy the passage in using Acrobat Pro DC on Mac and and Acrobat Reader DC on Windows. Pasting into WordPad showed no anomalies but, when I pasted into BBEdit, there was an extra line return at the end of the word with the discretionary hyphen. Very odd.
Looks like a bug to me and I’m surprised it has persisted so long. For the nonce, the only solution for you I can think of is to eliminate discretionary hyphens in the source file, which may not be feasible.
MemberYour case is what Annotations for Adobe InDesign from DTP Tools is for. I tried an early version and it worked but not quite as smoothly as I thought it should. Here is part of DTP Tool’s blurb:
‘Annotations plug-in allows you to import notes and comments from PDF into a source InDesign file. For successful import of text edits and space dependent notes, both documents need to be identical. The plug-in can match different pagination of the PDF and InDesign documents, so you can export just a one page PDF for proof or import notes from a whole book PDF to a single chapter file. Annotations can also process PDFs exported as spreads.
DTP Tools recommends working from the InDesign document’s end to its top. Doing so will minimize misalignment of comments and notes as edits are accepted.’MemberDwayne, see Kelly Vaughn’s post, Show the InDesign Notes Tool Some Love!, of 8 June for some suggestions. See also Annotations for Adobe InDesign from DTP Tools.
MemberJoel, It sounds as if Kai and Peter have you covered but, if you still need help in sorting out the file, feel free to send me a sample. I read Greek, ancient and modern. It sounds to me as if you have a word rendered in monotonic and polytonic Greek and as a transliteration in latin script. How all those got into your file is an interesting question.
MemberHave a look at Padauk from SIL : https://software.sil.org/padauk/ . There is no mention of InDesign in the description but SIL has a great deal of expertise in creating and supporting scrprs other than Latin.
MemberI suggest you will get more help by looking through epubsecrets.com and tweeting your question to #eprdctn. The short answer is that you have to test on your target devices and apps. The folks at #eprdctn will have lots more info.
MemberUse Export Book to PDF and choose Adobe PDF (Print). In the panel that appears, click on ‘Compression’ in the listing on the left side of the panel. You will then see a panel where you can set the dpi for images and so on.
I strongly suggest, however, that you ask your printing house if they have a PDF settings file (xxx.joboptions) tuned to their equipment or if they would like you to use one of the standard presets (shown in brackets, like this [PDF/X-1a:2001] ) supplied with InDesign.
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