what is this P SEP box ?

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    • #95772

      I’m typesetting a Bible, and we’re printing very soon.
      When I was scanning every single page, I bumped into a weird doted box with “P SEP” written inside.

      P SEP box – skip verse number

      Then I realized this box is supposed to be a verse number. That’s a big problem, because verses are being skipped, and I have about 1400 pages to check for this little box, easy to miss.

      Do you know what this is, why it’s there, and especially how to detect them in find/change ?
      We never had that problem before, and we started in 2014.

      I very much appreciate all help on this.

    • #95774
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      I have never seen a “p-sep” box like that. My guess is that this is a font problem. Can you select that character on the page? If you are not in preview mode, does it show highlighted in pink?

    • #95775

      Yes I can select it, and when I tried to copy and paste it in find/change it did find it. But not the other ones, I guess because these arent the same verses number.

      No it doesnt highlight in pink when not in preview mode.

      I know that some chapters of the Bible have been imported from Word, but it never did that before.

    • #95776
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      Is it in a particular font, which is different than the characters on either side of it?

    • #95777

      I looked and here is the screenshot of the character specifications :

      p-sep caracter specifications

      I can’t find a difference with the rest of the text around. The p-sep box also is in the correct paragraph style.

      This is a mystery. I have found 3 p-sep boxes like that so far, in different chapters.

    • #95801

      I think that this is a Unicode paragraph separator (U+2029; HTML 
). What is odd, though, is that as far as I know Times New Roman does not have a glyph to display this text formatting character. At the least the two versions of TNR that I checked do not. You are welcome to send a snippet with the passage to me at crych at telus dot net. It’s an interesting problem though, without knowing the proximate and ultimate sources of the text, it is hard to figure out where this error was introduced.

      The other thing I note is that the following verse should be ’34 Et Jacob donna …’, not ’33 Et Jacob donna …’. Were the numbers of the verses inserted as xref, or code of some sort. Was the text imported from HTML where the numbers of the verses were links?

    • #95806
      Salieri
      Member

      In Find and Replace, if you select the Glyph option, you can try typing 2029 into the Unicode box and see if that truffles out your character.

    • #95847

      Yes @Lindsey, it was a Unicode separator ! My weird p-sep box is the character U+2029

      I tracked it in all my documents thanks to the GREP tab of the find/change dialog box, and searching for \x{2029}
      This saved me so much time !

      Thanks everyone for your help, I so much appreciate this community of InDesign experts.

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