I just got home from the Seattle InDesign Master Class conference. What a great week!
My last session on Wednesday was a class entitled “Illustrator for InDesign Users.” It was fun. I got to show off my favorite Illustrator effects and then show how they could be copied into InDesign.
One weird thing happened, though, that I thought I’d report to you all.
During the class I said that you shouldn’t apply both a fill and a stroke to an object in Illustrator, or it will paste into InDesign as two objects; one for the fill, the other for the stroke.
Scott Citron, who was auditing the class, checked it out and told me that it wasn’t true. He could copy and paste a fill and stroke object without creating two objects.
So what was the problem?
Turns out that an Illustrator object that contains a simple fill and stroke will appear in InDesign as a single object. But if you apply any effect or if you move the position of the fill or stroke in the Appearance palette, you will get two objects.
Obviously I’ve been working with objects that were modified in the Appearance palette and never realized that was the cause of the two objects in InDesign.
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One other point – To paste Illustrator paths into InDesign, undo ‘Prefer pdf when pasting’ in Indd preferences
This article is too brief for a discussion named “Pasting from Illustrator into InDesign”
Has anyone seen a more detailed document about pasting/moving artwork between Photoshop & Illustrator to InDesign?? It doesn’t seem Adobe have documented this in there user guides for some silly reason.
Wait… now that I experiment a bit, I think the items have to be grouped in InDesign if they are to successfully paste into Illustrator.
@Melissa: I don’t have that problem. I copy and paste from ID to Illustrator quite a lot, because I’m used to scripting in ID, but use Illustrator to make GIFs for web use.
In my experience, the only drawback is that Illustrator tends to add quite a lot of unnecessary clipping paths, but they’re easy enough to delete in the layers panel, as long as you keep an eye on the document window.
@Melissa: did you recently try that with the CS4 versions? Indeed, I found it is possible with simple objects like boxes, path objects. More complex objects might fail. Did not test that yet. And also one rule is clear: objects with fill/stroke set to “none” will not make it. They simply don’t show up: without error message from Illustrator.
And why on earth is it not possible to copy pure vector objects with fill/stroke set to “none” from Illustrator to InDesign? Technical reasons? Come on, Adobe!
Silly question… I usually select objects from AI to copy and paste into ID, but why can’t I select an object in ID and paste into AI?
@Bannerman: InDesign is a tool for putting all that great artwork you made in Illustrator and Photoshop together on the same page, plus adding text, lines, frames, paths, and so on. For example the pages of most major magazines are now laid out with InDesign.
I’m new to using photoshop and illustrator but I’m a bit confused on what Indesign is used for. Can you please elaborate ?
Interesting lesson, Illustrator is my favourite vector tool. Thanks.
Interesting I never new that happened. Lately I been using Corel Draw more then Illustrator I find it easier to use.
Ignore the half-thought in the above message. It should have been deleted.
Mordy,
Ordinarily I defer to you for all things Illustrator, but in this case I don’t get the results you’re talking about.
No matter which subselection for AICS I choose (Preserve Paths or Preserve Appearance and Overprints), I get two paths when pasting from AI into ID as long as I have applied any type of appearance setting.
I only get one path if my path in AI has no special appearance effects.
However, I just discovered what looks like a bug in AI.
If I change the position of the stroke in the appearance palette, the filled circle is displayed in the Appearance palette. This is as I expect. There is a special appearance setting applied to the path.
But if I then move the stroke so that it is in front of the fill, the circle remains colored. This seems wrong. I have restored the path to its default setting, but it doesn’t behave as if it is.
What’s even stranger is if
Sandee, this happens because you have the “Preserve Appearance” option selected in the AICB Preferences setting. If you choose the Preserve Paths option, you’ll get a single path, but it won’t necessarily look exactly the same.
If you think about it, what’s happening is the exact same thing if you had first selected your path in Illustrator, and chose the Object > Expand Appearance option.