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  • in reply to: How much should I charge for complex layouts? #97506
    Joel Wilcox
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    Good things to know.

    I currently have a PC, I’m sad to say. Though it has 16 GB of RAM and a quad-core i7 6700, Windows eats a good chunk of that memory alive by nature. I didn’t have luck with a 2013 Macbook Pro at my day job what with it having kernel panic errors and eventually giving up the ghost. I think Apple desktops are killer at this sort of thing and probably have better parts. Sadly (or perhaps fortunately) the best cross between cheap and good in Mac desktops is currently the 2013 gen Mac Pro (I’m finding Apple certified refurbs for 2500). Once I factor in the Pro’s user replaceable parts and the fact that I already have dual monitors, I’m not thinking it’s worth paying the big bucks for the 2017 iMac’s screen and inability to replace or upgrade internals. I’m also reluctant to face replacing all my cables and peripherals for the sake of switching to Thunderbolt 3. Thoughts on that? I’m not sure I can justify paying $3000 for a computer but the publishing house I work for by day has hired freelance designers only to find the contractors didn’t computers fit for the job. I’d rather not be in their shoes.

    And yeah, somehow I have bad luck with pushing computers to the max. My 2014 Mac Mini was so garbage slow with CC 2015 that I ended up having to get rid of it and switch to the lower-cost HP I have now.

    in reply to: How much should I charge for complex layouts? #97508
    Joel Wilcox
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    Hm, yeah, it looks like an iMac or a MacBook Pro might be my best bet then. Thoughts on either/or?

    in reply to: How much should I charge for complex layouts? #97180
    Joel Wilcox
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    Thanks, Dwayne. You have a good point about subsequent passes, since we usually do those at my day job. I will say that publishers pay on the poor-to-middling end for projects like this, but this is what I’d call “assisted freelancing” with no overhead. They just placed me with the client. The distributor has a ballpark estimate of 200 pages of 8.5×11. Problem is the author wants it in a (much) smaller format and different proportions (5.5×8-ish) so I’m afraid that though she’s done a nice job of pre-layout work, it’s not going to be easy. At this point the question is if I’m going to need to change computers for this job (because this alone might justify doing that).

    Go ahead and give me a ballpark figure if you have one, but my hunch is that the 50% down payment would have to cover the hardware (my computer by far exceeds Adobe’s *cough* recommended requirements) but it’s not up to the task of an image-heavy 200+ page book.

    in reply to: Align to grid and justification #97159
    Joel Wilcox
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    Ah, I understand now. Sorry for my confusion.

    Keep in mind some of my advice could be very dangerous in a book this large, so I’d suggest saving one to two books of the Pentateuch as a sample to work with. My biggest recommendation (and least destructive) would be to set up a style for the last few verses of a chapter, then set up specific character and word spacing rules that fix the problem. Changes to a single verse are too noticeable, but changes to, say, the last three verses can save your skin here.

    I think applying manual overrides on 5% of a 1000+ page book is too much work, so what I’d recommend is:
    1. SAVE A COPY of just a sample of the book. Any of the books of Moses are long enough to give examples of what you’d risk as you try to fix them. You absolutely do not want to mess with the book as a whole.
    2. From there, see if you can find a pattern for the offending pages. It looks like your problem is related to spreads where the facing page begins a chapter. Trouble is this rarely happens (usually chapters start mid-page without a problem).
    3. You’ll likely have a specific number of lines missing from the non-matching columns. This may mean any even number, any odd number, or 1-3 lines (the number I find most common). The most common numbers indicate what you’ll need to target in the styles you would create to fix the problem.
    4. Adjust a few different style options to see what matches for each offending number. Usually you’ll have a common number to work with, and your advantage here is that Bible verses are usually quite short. Your disadvantage is it looks like you have each verse starting on a new line, which creates some huge problems now.

    Sorry that last step is not really a “step” but it’s hard to know without actually having files to mess with. I think a big part of your problem could be a result of unexpected things like your line justify settings (why do your lines have a ragged left margin?) and the math of your baseline grid (11.25 is a difficult number to work with). Not that you can change that, but clearly this is a difficult project.

    The good thing is as long as you have this occurring only 5% of the time, that’s 50/1000 pages you’ll have to fix. It’s not as bad as it could be (small consolation) but the offending short pages may be fixable only by setting up specific style rules I can’t look into myself: anything from text styles, to object styles, to case-specific overrides. The best thing I can say is that by creating styles that fix the common errors, you can fix 95% of that 5%.

    Sorry for not totally answering your question the first time. I hope this helps more.

    in reply to: Document settings #97149
    Joel Wilcox
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    Okay, I hacked this with Google Translate:

    totale breedte = Total Width
    totale hoogte = Total Height

    The others get pretty useless and bizarre, so I’m not going to reprint them (though my personal favorite is “cross the board as far as the book block 3 mm. Whatever that actually means in Dutch and English would be another matter…)

    Short answer: Don’t rely on Google Translate or on my knowledge of Dutch. Oh, and it’d be good to know what sort of book this is (the numbers might explain themselves better then).

    I can tell you that setting page sizes would involve changing your document settings in “document presets > define” (in your File menu). You’ll likely want to adjust margins too (in the Layout menu under “margins and columns”). It looks by his numbers like he wants a larger book (picture/illustated?) book since A4 is not usually standard for book prints. I’m in the U.S., so I can’t comment on international book sizes, but A4 is unusual except for copy paper, isn’t it? Book sizes usually don’t match printer paper in the US, at least.

    in reply to: Book features vs single document discuss #97148
    Joel Wilcox
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    I love the book feature whenever I’m working on any larger document. Basically, unless you an excellent and powerful computer, you won’t find it easy to deal with hundreds of footnotes. Repaginating a document that large would allow me enough time to take a coffee break before my computer finished one job.

    Now, in smaller documents it’s great to stick with one file. However, since footnotes usually reset themselves after each chapter anyway, and since chapters easily stand as their own sections, it’s much safer to incorporate changes in a book file. Reflowing one line of a 100-chapter book requires a second pass through the entire work if you want to make sure the text no longer shows up on the wrong master page–and don’t get me started on running headers in 100 chapters.

    I guess it all depends on your tech and your workflow. If you do a lot of academic publishing or have to deal with anything that has numerous chapters, it’s a ton easier to put each chapter as its own document and (excuse the term) “bookify” it. At least, that’s what I’ve found after typesetting numerous books in a series of academic reprints.

    in reply to: Align to grid and justification #97146
    Joel Wilcox
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    Hi Johanna,

    I often deal with typesetting on large books (up to and including a grotesquely large Bible Dictionary I specced out), so I’m familiar with this problem. The first thing I’d recommend is based on your picture: It looks like your baseline grid is set to start at the top of the page. Have you tried setting it to start at the top margin? This makes baseline grid use much easier.

    Honestly, I’ve run into so many problems with vertical justification that I avoid it at all costs. Here’s what I’d recommend instead:

    * Set every text style to align to grid (or the parent text style, assuming you’re basing your styles NOT on the [default paragraph] style).
    * Any style you would like to NOT align to the grid should be individually set to break the above rule.
    * Any style you need to shift up or down can be modified using the Advanced Character Formats > Baseline shift. I usually raise this by a few points to set off text from the grid. This works for character styles or specific overrides as well.
    * To make sure all styles obey the rules, try to keep your margins set so that your baseline grid aligns perfectly with the text frame size. I have a spreadsheet of math I use to do all this calculation (I’m terrible at doing it in my head)

    For example, my publishing house prefers a nice airy 15 pt leading. In a 6×9 inch book, that means 432×648 pt page size, which divided by 15 is a line count of 43.2. Not great for justification. To fix this, I set the top margin and bottom margin to create a text block evenly divisible by 15, which in my case resulted in some weird margin sizes in *inches* but great margin sizes in *points*. (I hate imperial units. Go metric!)

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