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Dwayne Harris
MemberHoly crap. It works. I would never have thought it would. I mean, I can see how now, though I couldn’t explain it to someone too easily. I guess I’ve been been in the mindset for 30 years that separate styles were needed for space above/below.
Thank you Obi-wan and David (and you too, Masood :) )
But I do have a question, which I don’t know if it can be answered.
What about Ebooks? I take it would come through, but they have always told us to use separate styles for space above/below so they convert properly. Do you think it’s just a thing of not them knowing about how the span feature works?
Wow–this span thing could save me hours of writing unnecessary style sheets.
MemberOkay, Masood. I’ll test it real quick.
MemberI’ve always continued the the runningheads when the text goes on for several pages.
On a few jobs, I had a separate master page just for that. It would have the variable, but I would type (cont.) after it and apply when it went on several pages.
One thing I don’t understand though–why are those pages coming out blank for you? The running heads should have carried over.
MemberHey Masood
I’m trying to wrap my head around how one spanner will only put a line of space above and below the entire group. Like David’s example of the bulleted list.
MemberDavid—
Oh I knew Obi-wan was thinking outside the box, and that’s great. He is good at that.
Concerning the space above/below grouped paragraphs: How does that work?
I would have thought you’d need to turn on the spanner on the first bulleted entry, none on the second, and space below on the last.
If you are using only one spanner to cover all three, how do you do that?
I would think you’d need space above the first, none for the second, and space below for the third.
As you can tell, I’m used to just using paragraph styles, and I admit I’ve only used the span columns when working on two column text I need a head to straddle both columns. Thankfully, the majority of my jobs are single column.
MemberObi–I’ve use the span feature before (usually for a head that spans double-column text).
If Rivkah has a three-paragraph unit that requires a line space above the first paragraph, none for the second, and space below the third, are you saying a single span feature would cover all three?
I was under the impression you’d need the span for the first one to get the line space, and a second one for the third one for space below.
Why do that, if you can just write separate paragraph styles with a line space above the first one, and another paragraph style with a line space below the third one?
Why even bother with the span feature (especially if it’s a single-column job)?
Maybe I’m missing something.
MemberObi–I was replying to Rivkah, concerning writing separate style sheets for elements requiring space above or below, or doing them manually.
I was not talking about the span feature.
MemberI think it’s best to have separate paragraph style sheets for the ones that require space above or below. For example, if I have a bulleted list, I have three paragraph styles.
One is BLF which has the line of space above.
BLM are the middle entries
BLL is the last entry with a line of space below.MemberRivkah, it looks like the DTP tools will help immensely. I’ve been testing with. That looks like the answer.
MemberThat’s definitely job security, Charlotte. It must suck when you take time off, get back to work, and have a desk full of stuff.
My problem is just the opposite. We’ll get a bunch of crash jobs come in and since we can’t extend the deadline, I cancel vacation to get the jobs done.
I’m the main guy for the original pagination (especially the complicated ones).
I do take vacation at times, though it’s usually in the dead of winter, during our slow period :(
MemberI hear ‘ya. I can’t even take vacations without being called or emailed. In fact–I usually end up canceling my vacations.
Some of the correctors just want answers and don’t want to take initiative. Some won’t even make up a style sheet and have it queried. I.e., a footnote gets added to the job (none previously existed). Just make it 8/10 point/lead, line space above. Simple! But no–
MemberThanks, David. I’ll check it out. I may have the owner buy a few copies for the folks who do corrections in our shop.
We get a lot (and I mean a lot) of PDFs back that are annotated and have those arrows and blue triangles putting showing the corrections.
If something that could work, it would be a lifesaver.
I will buy a one year subscription tonight for myself (no–I probably won’t get refunded by the company so I can test it a bit).
The other stuff may come in handy.
But–I mainly do the original paging, so hopefully the folks doing the corrections will use it and figure it out, instead of relying on me to hold their hands.
MemberDavid–that DTP plug-in looks like a great thing, but noticed it only works through CS6?
MemberSteve–I’ve found the paragraph composer comes in very handy. And it’s usually pretty good at what it does. The alternative is to turn it off, but then one would have to use soft returns and stuff to get the line breaks they want–which is a no-no when a job goes to eBook.
Admittedly–it can be frustrating to add a comma in line 20 and all of a sudden the entire paragraph reflows (starting from line 5).
To get around that, I usually apply a no-break somewhere in the line above to get it back to where it was.
MemberThanks, David. I’ll check it out.
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