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XML Structure, Tags and Font Anomalies

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    • #84906
      Anonymous
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      I work for a weekly newspaper where we have been using an InDesign/InCopy workflow for the past 10 years or more. Until recently all was smooth. As of late, we’ve been seeing some very strange issues.

      About a year ago we went to a managed back end so that we could easily integrate print and web without having to repurpose everything. In doing that, we now have a plugin that grabs our articles from the back end of the website and pulls them in all formatted into InDesign. It’s really a fantastic tool and timesaver. To accomplish this, the copy comes in as XML, tagged with styles like Body, p, Title, Subtitle…etc that are mapped to paragraph and character styles. All of that works just fine. The copy comes in formatted nicely. And the tool automatically updates the back end of the website for the editors letting them know the story was placed and on which page.

      The problem begins when an editor checks out the story in InCoy and makes changes. They may bold some text, add italics…etc. Back in InDesign, when the article is updated, those changes will either come through partially, or add bolding/italics where the editor did not apply a style. And it happens randomly. Sometimes an entire paragraph will become bold that is two paragraphs away from the three words the editor had bolded in the first place. I’ve never seen anything like this and I can only assume it has something to do with the XML tags, because if I untag the article none of these issues can be recreated. Untagging, however, loses the ability to capture page placements.

      Has anybody in your travels/travails come across anything like this? Any XML experts out there who can take a look at an exported InCopy doc and see something that I’m not.

    • #84908

      Hello John,

      First, I have not used XML in your environment. Nor have I used InCopy much at all being a single contractor. I do use XML a fair bit, though.

      I don’t know from whence InCopy is obtaining the stories. Is it directly from the back-end repository?

      If it were me investigating it, I would first begin with exporting a story out of ID that has been edited and inspect it in either a good text editor that can properly handle XML or an actual XML editor. If those tags (like the bold tags you mention) are being properly placed around the text, it is failing downstream. If the tags are mis-matched, incomplete or “moved” from their target, it would seem InCopy cannot handle editing XML.

      Likely it will be that InCopy cannot handle either the two-way nature of how the XML is being used, or that the back-end is falling over the checked-in story, or that perhaps the tags themselves are being mis-matched by InCopy. Or…something else I cannot think of at the moment. It’s not something I do.

      Mike

    • #84934
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Thanks for the reply Mike.

      InDesign pulls the XML tagged stories in through a plug-in. Editors open the InDesign issue in InCopy and edit the assignments.

      I’ve looked at the structure extensively and can’t find any issues. I think I’m just going to have to untag everything after importing.

    • #84936

      Wish I had actual insight, John.

      I assume you’ve discussed this with the plug-in makers?

      Mike

    • #84938
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      We’ve got a bunch of InCopy, XML, and automation experts coming to PePcon this year. Might be a good place to get some answers.

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