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What can .epub do that .pdf can't?
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December 2, 2012 at 8:51 am #63660
angharad09
ParticipantThis may be a dumb question, but I've been thinking about it and realized I don't know the answer. It seems like you can get a PDF to do everything but cook your breakfast, and PDFs are readable on all major e-readers. Also, they represent (as far as I can tell) a mature, stable, not-too-clunky technology. What can an .epub or .mobi file do that a properly formatted PDF cannot? Not a rhetorical question and not a put-down of EPUB, just really curious.
thanks,
Amanda
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December 2, 2012 at 10:04 am #63661
Theunis De Jong
MemberIn fact it's the epub that is immature, instable, and ill-defined. You cannot rely on seeing your epub to appear the same, or even “rather” similar, on different viewers, and with different software.
That said :D the target usage for an epub is slightly different. An epub can freely reflow its text; with appropriate software, you can change the font size and the font itself. Since it's a plain text format, it's extremely easy to search for text (other than in any random PDF). You can zoom in on a PDF up but then you have to move a page around to read it in its entirety. E-pubs don't need that.
The biggest drawback of the e-pub format is that it's still very much in its infancy, and that its parameters are not very strictly defined. Thus you cannot depend on your text to appear the same on various devices, much as you could not rely on web pages displaying correctly back during the dark age of the Browser Wars.
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December 3, 2012 at 7:09 am #63664
David Blatner
KeymasterI like to think of EPUB as a Word document: it's basically a linear flowing document in which you can change the font, the type size, margins, and so on. There are, however, fixed layout EPUBs (just like there are word docs that appear to mimic what you can do in InDesign).
Looking forward a few years, there is a reasonable chance that a LOT of what people are doing in PDF will be done in EPUB. But it's going to take a while to get there.
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December 4, 2012 at 4:46 am #63672
angharad09
ParticipantThanks for these enlightening answers! I'm still wondering if I'm missing something, though. It seems like there are just a few things a PDF can't do, and a lot of things EPUB can't do (yet) — why wouldn't people focus on “catching up” the PDF format instead to make it fully functional for ebooks? The main virtue of EPUB seems to be its flow-ability — but can't a PDF do that, too, if you set it up right? Don't Acrobat's various accessibility functions, and articles, reading order, and stuff like that pretty much provide the full range? For example, I just picked a random document, set it to View: Zoom: Reflow, and enlarged it as much as I wanted without having to move the page around.
I don't mean that you could take *any* PDF and make it flow as well as any EPUB –but if you designed the PDF with e-book-ability in mind …
My knowledge of these things is 90% reading, not doing (yet) — so I'm probably missing something and I'm curious to know what. This is not meant to diss EPUB. I just think that if I knew the answer to this question I'd understand both EPUB and PDF better.
thanks!
Amanda
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December 4, 2012 at 8:25 am #63674
Amy Gilbert
ParticipantPDF is a proprietary format owned by Adobe. Adobe is the only entity that can update it and improve it and adapt it for reading devices. People making ebooks would have to buy Adobe products or a product that could create an e-reader friendly pdf. Adobe would control the whole market. Also, the comanies with reading devices and bookstores would have to get the right from Adobe to digital rights manage the books they sell. They would probably need to get a license for each book title.
Epub is an open standard so it's better for bookstores, publishers, authors and book designers. It is html-based and a lot of people know how to edit html already. It's got a ways to go to match pdf for fixed layout. But for novels, it's already there. Novels are a huge part of the ereading market and probably what epub was originally intended for.
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December 4, 2012 at 8:41 pm #63679
David Goodrich
ParticipantPDF began as a proprietary standard, but in 2008 it became an ISO standard. According to Wikipedia, at that time “Adobe published a Public Patent License to ISO 32000-1 granting royalty-free rights for all patents owned by Adobe that are necessary to make, use, sell and distribute PDF compliant implementations.” Every day I see PDFs whose Document Properties show they were produced by all kinds of software, not just Adobe's — utility bills, journal articles, you name it. Meanwhile, major e-book readers such as Kindle, Nook, and iPad are not exactly open systems.
As for “better,” that's still in the eye of the beholder, even for novels. I use an e-book reader every day, but when I want to curl up with a good book I usually go for paper — though occasionally I'll use an electronic version for searching. And chances are any book printed this century passed through PDF.
David
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December 5, 2012 at 6:50 am #63680
angharad09
ParticipantSo maybe it's more of a marketplace issue than a technology issue at this point. I confess I go to PDF, if it's available, for anything I want to actually study (follow footnote links, highlight or annotate) — for straightforward, not-interactive reading, which I gather is the main market right now? they all seem to work fine from a reader's perspective. At least, thanks to your answers, I can lay to rest the idea that EPUB currently has some whiz-bang capability I'm unaware of.
Thanks, y'all!
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December 7, 2012 at 12:12 pm #63706
Mary Jane Gavenda
MemberAs far as I can tell it is a marketplace issue. If you are selling your books and need to be on the major platforms like apple's ibooks and itunes, amazon etc. you need to be formatting to the e-readers like epub as they don't accept PDF. If you don't need to be on these platforms then PDF is fine. It's a shame it has to be so convoluted. As a publisher that does graphics-intensive and large page count books we have been waiting for epub3 to get its act together. Hopefully a standard will emerge because as it is now, it's a hot mess for designers.
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January 7, 2013 at 10:32 pm #63882
Allen Cobb
MemberFor me there are two major factors, one being market-related, and the other usability.
A PDF is generally somewhat less secure than an eBook, although when you get into hacking either one it's hard to say why a PDF couldn't readily be made far more secure than a zipped micro-website (which is what most eBooks are). But in the end, eBooks are usually connected to a DRM licensing service, while (apart from Adobe's defunct (?) Digital Editions project) PDFs are pretty much up to each publisher to license, protect, and distribute.
As for usability, the reflow capability is much more important than it may seem at first glance. Although I much prefer the appearance of a well-designed PDF, since it essentially is a perfect recreation of anything you might want to design, reading the same PDF on a computer, tablet, phablet, and phone is very impractical. PDF reflow is sometimes completely useless, and without reflow the computer version is microscopic on the phone. So without reflow you really don't get a cross-platform publication.
There is a lot to be said for multi-platform design, and Adobe is trying hard to make that a practical solution. But there's still a huge amount of extra work involved in producing a “designed” presentation that can generate versions for every form-factor.
Beyond that, even with a given reader (say, my 4.8″ Galaxy S3), sometimes I'm reading with powerful glasses on, and I like to get about 70 chars per line, with fairly tight line spacing. At other times, I'm reading without any glasses at all, which means from a couple of feet away, so I'll set the document to a huge font that would be idiotic in another context. At the lectern, for example, it's great to be able to display what looks like 24-point type in landscape mode and use the phone as a teleprompter.
So eBooks provide distribution through DRM licensing services and (presumably) solid copy protection, and eBook reflow makes text suitable for reading almost anywhere, if you're willing to sacrifice most of the design.
I think it's worth differentiating another digital publication type, however, which I prefer to call eMags. These are the digital publications we're seeing more and more for major magazines. They require lots of close attention in the design and production stages, but they handle the various devices creatively, and preserve a fairly high degree of design refinement. They reflow, but in a much more intelligent way than a typical eBook (e.g., with dynamic columns as in ID CS6), yet they provide almost as much design control as a PDF. An important distinction between eMag and eBook is that the eMag preserves the notion of pages, or at least can do so, while the eBook can only “store” the original page number while essentially tossing the whole idea of pages out the window.
Allen
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February 7, 2013 at 4:18 am #64081
WadEth
MemberOh, Thanx I found the answer to my question
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