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• • October 25, 2019 at 5:51 am #1192973
    Tamás Nagy

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    Hi Friends,

    can someone tell me how I could change the “No style” text format?

    If I set No style to be the default paragraph style then any new text I enter becomes 12 pt Minion Pro Regular. The situation is the same if I set the paragraph style of an existing styled text to No Style later. But sometimes, in documents I get from the clients this default font is Times New Roman, not Minion. It seems to be a document property, not an application default. If it is really the document that wears this property then I should be able to set it somehow, shouldn’t I? But I can’t, or at least I don’t know how to do it.

    So what is the truth? And more importantly: how could I change this default format? Setting the font when nothing is selected doesn’t do the job.

    Best, and thx:
    Tamás

  • October 25, 2019 at 7:45 am #14323867
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    It is a kind of crazy, advanced technique and does not always work. Keep backups!
    https://indesignsecrets.com/changing-default-font-indesign-document-advanced.php

  • October 26, 2019 at 3:43 am #14323863
    Tamás Nagy

    Participant

    Thank you David, it was a very interesting tour into the Abyss. :)
    So this way we can change the default font of an existing document. I think I will make good use of this knowledge.

    How do you think: is there a way to somehow change the same thing for all new documents?
    I mean… is it possible that Indesign gets this 12 pt Minion font thing from another editable file?
    An even deeper default…

  • October 26, 2019 at 3:45 am #14323862
    Tamás Nagy

    Participant

    Thank you David, it was a very interesting tour into the Abyss. :)
    So this way we can change the default font of an existing document. I think I will make good use of this knowledge.

    How do you think: is there a way to somehow change the same thing for all new documents?
    I mean… is it possible that Indesign gets this 12 pt Minion font thing from another editable file?
    An even deeper default…

  • October 26, 2019 at 4:11 am #14323861
    Tamás Nagy

    Participant

    Sorry for the double post, I pressed Submit button twice because seemingly nothing happened after the first click.

    I searched the home folder of Indesign for the word “Minion” and found the file Predef_huHU.iddx that contained almost the same info you showed in the article of Indesign Secrets:

    <RootParagraphStyleGroup>
    <ParagraphStyle Self=”ParagraphStyle/$ID/[No paragraph style]” Name=”$ID/[No paragraph style]” FontStyle=”Regular” PointSize=”12″ KerningMethod=”$ID/Metrics” … [bla-bla] …
    <Properties>
    <AppliedFont type=”string”>Minion Pro</AppliedFont>

    It looks very much like that deep default of “No paragraph style”, doesn’t it? :)
    There are such “Predef” files for each language, and there is also a file named simply Predef.iddx too.

    Maybe some time I will try to edit this file, but I’m a bit afraid of doing so. So if I don’t check in for a long time, tell my mom I love her! :)

  • April 5, 2021 at 8:44 am #14338197
    Alethea Morrison

    Member

    Hi David, Help. We have used custom basic settings for indd here at Storey Publishing for years.
    We do lots of reprints, pickup old files, combine indd files, ebook conversion.
    I read Anne-Marie article about not changing basic and now this.
    We are thinking about switching to Indd default basic settings but I am nervous about how this might effect us moving forward.
    I am almost sure we set our basic font to Times 12 on 12 for this document property font thing, we also changed a few other attributes, keep lines, hyphenation …

    Any advice?
    Thanks so much
    Liseann

    • April 5, 2021 at 9:59 am #14338198
      David Blatner

      Keymaster

      I never recommend people use Basic Paragraph style. As you have probably seen in other posts, it is not a good idea to use Basic, if you can avoid it. If you’re going to change to something, change to a new paragraph style (make one yourself, such as “StoreyBasic”)

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