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• • August 28, 2017 at 2:22 am #97081
    Anonymous

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    Hi
    I’m new with Indesign and I am still trying to work out how and why things are done. I’m confused by bleed, I am told that I need to place a bleed around my pages which is fine and then I am told that artwork should go to the edge of the bleed, this is what confuses me, when I place the artwork to the edge of the bleed and then click the option to turn off the guides some of the artwork is removed, am I doing something wrong?

    My thoughts are that maybe the master page should cover the bleed, and that artwork should stay within the page confines or should the art reach the inner edge of the bleed not the outer, or can I create a bleed and then leave it blank.

    If anyone can help clear this up I would be really grateful.

    Thanks

  • August 28, 2017 at 4:16 am #97084
    Graham Park

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    Bleed is added to all edges of the page, this allow the printer to trim the finished pages and leave no white paper.
    Offset printed jobs are imposed in signature usually 8, 16, 24 or 32 pages for printing, to print on both sides the sheets are often run through the press twice, once for each side of the paper (usually work and turn or work and tumble or printed on a perfecter both sides in one pass) cut into spreads and then bound to make the final book, magazine etc. There can be a misalignment between the front and back print and bleed allows for this.
    Offset printed jobs are cut in stacks of 500-1000 sheets on a guillotine so there will be some slight misalignment.

    The bleed disappears from view in InDesign when you switch from NORMAL (bleed shows) to PREVIEW (bleed is hidden) the bleed is there it is just hidden from view.

    Bleed needs to be added to all pages in your document unless you want a white boarder on your pages.
    Bleed on facing pages is a little different in the way it is handled in prepress but just take you art work to the centre fold between two facing pages.

  • August 28, 2017 at 5:06 am #97089
    Anonymous

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    Hi
    Thanks for that but it does not answer my question, I know the reason behind the bleed and how printing works, I need to know whether I need to move artwork to bleed edge which causes my artwork to lose a section of it.

    Thanks

  • August 28, 2017 at 5:49 am #97091
    Graham Park

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    Not really sure what you mean by ‘move artwork to bleed edge which causes my artwork to lose a section of it’

    Yes if you want to have the artwork bleed off the page then you need to make the artwork bleed off the InDesign page and yes you will loose the part that extends past the edge of the page.
    Of course bleed will only be the images not any text this will need to stay within the margin normally about 12.5mm to 25mm (I know it depends on the layout) from the pages edge, run the text into the bleed and some of it will be trimmed off.
    You need the set up bleed as per your printers instruction, this is normally between 2.5 and 5mm.
    This is the part that disappears when you switch from NORMAL to PREVIEW.

    Output you file to a PDF with all printers marks and you will see where the trim is, where the bleed ends etc. This way you will see what will print and what will be trimmed off during finishing, just make sure nothing vital is in the trim.

  • August 28, 2017 at 6:08 am #97094
    Anonymous

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    Yes, my question is that by extending my artwork to the bleed edge then I will be losing a part of the artwork, so the artwork is essential so by doing this I am losing something essential to the trim.
    What I am saying is if I extend the artwork to the edge of the actual page then have a bleed then no artwork is lost in the trim which seems more desirable to me.

    Is seems strange to lose part of the artwork their must be a way around this.

  • August 28, 2017 at 6:31 am #97097
    Graham Park

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    The bleed is only relevant for images, backgrounds etc.

    For text, diagrams, photo of faces etc or anything that you need to see or that conveys information should not extend into the trim area and you should allow a margin to the edge of the page of at least 3mm or you may loose some of it when the document is trimmed.

    Place a link to an image of what you are trying to do if this does not answer your question.

  • August 28, 2017 at 6:38 am #97098
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Oh ok, what I am doing is art heavy and the art conveys a atmosphere and window it the world (Its a tabletop RPG) the art is expensive and it seemed a shame to lose so of it in a trim, but if I am understanding you correctly you are saying that the background (master page set up background) goes to the bleed edge but the artwork should stay on the page?

  • August 28, 2017 at 6:42 am #97099
    Graham Park

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    If you want to see it it have to be inside the page and not in the trim.
    Maybe you could extend the background of the image to have that bleed.

    If you have a background image that can extend into the bleed.

  • August 28, 2017 at 10:49 am #97102
    Colleen Shannon

    Member

    “Yes, my question is that by extending my artwork to the bleed edge then I will be losing a part of the artwork, so the artwork is essential so by doing this I am losing something essential to the trim.”

    This is where you have to become a designer and solve the problem.

    Sounds like you have crucial artwork that’s close to the edge of your image. One option is adding non-crucial background art to your image through Photoshop, etc. Another is by not having bleed at all.

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