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• • May 5, 2023 at 6:24 am #14390478
    Tamás Nagy

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    Hi Friends,

    there is a strange behaviour of InDesign that I run into very often since the last 3-4 versions. InDesign sometimes simply doesn’t hyphenate the word at the end of the first line of a paragraph. I can’t find an automatic way to get that word hyphenated.

    Here is an example:
    

    The word “Kinyilatkoztatás” is a known) word for InDesign, or at least it can apply the right heuristics on it, as you can see it in the User Dictionary panel:
    

    I use a 3rd party hyphenation software instead of the original one for Hungarian language (“Magyar”): it’s name is “Magyar (Tramontana)”. My Hyphenation settings are the following:
    

    Here you can see that Duden hyphenation is set to the most strict option. So I thought, this might be the problem, but it isn’t that. Setting this option to “All” didn’t solve the problem.

    The only way to make InDesign hyphenate this word is to put optional hyphens manually into the word. This way almost the whole word could go up into the first line:
    

    This “error” sometimes occurs in the 2nd line as well, but almost never anywhere else in the paragraphs. This exapmle occured in the 2021 version but I tried it, and it still works the same way in the 2023 version too.

    Can someone explain me what is going on here?

    Thanks, Tamás

  • May 5, 2023 at 6:26 am #14390481
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    I wonder if it is this problem:

    Words Hyphenating Wrong in InDesign

    But also, because you are using a 3rd party hyphenation tool (which one?) it may be that software, not InDesign?

  • May 6, 2023 at 1:04 pm #14390510
    Tamás Nagy

    Participant

    Hi David, thank you for your reply. But no, the language was correct, I double-checked it now.

    The 3rd party tool is produced by Tramontána Kft., https://tramontana.co.hu/
    They offer the only 3rd party program for the Hungarian language, and it is much better than the original Hungarian hyphenation in that it can recognize complex words (words that are made by sticking two or more simple words together) while the embedded Hungarian hyphenation can’t. Complex words are very common in Hungarian so not processing them as complex causes many-many hyphenation errors.

    Changing the language to the original Hungarian didn’t help, the situation remained the same. The only difference could be seen in the User Dictionary. Below the first is the Tramontana-Hungarian, the second is the original Hungarian hyphenation, as InDesing thinks (and it’s correct). Neither worked in the given situation.
    ki~nyi~lat~koz~ta~tás
    ki~~nyi~~lat~~koz~~ta~~tás

    I’m sorry that the images didn’t show in my post, they can only be seen by right-clicking and opening them in a new window. What did I do wrong? I wrote the following tag there (now without the necessary brackets):
    img src=”https://idscript.hu/hyphenation/1.jpg”
    (for example).

  • May 6, 2023 at 1:08 pm #14390518
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Did you try changing the Hyphenation preference from Hunspell to Proximity?

    I wonder if you have tried the hyphenation tool from Mindsteam? https://www.mindsteam.com

    I see your images okay in my browser.

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