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• • October 13, 2010 at 2:02 pm #57358
    Ken Clark

    Member

    David,

    I setup up a run in subhead following your tutorial and it works great. Now I'd like to set up another nested style where the subhead has no character at the end to direct the code to. I want a 12 pt subhead, say in whatever color, then the text starts on the next line and is black in 10 pt on leading. The 10 point text could also run right of the end of the 12 pt. subhead as an option.

    I can't figure this out. I'd appreciate your help.

    Ken

  • October 13, 2010 at 8:56 pm #57361
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Well, you have to have an “end” character or some pattern to define a nested style. Otherwise, how would InDesign know where to stop? If you want the whole first line to be a head and the next line of the paragraph to be something different, use a Line Style (in cs4 and later) instead.

  • October 26, 2010 at 2:40 pm #57499
    Ken Clark

    Member

    so if I use a invisible character like a hard or soft return it will serve as an “end character”? Is there a menu item called “LineStyle” as in Character Style or Paragraph style? What do you mean by pattern. Is that a GREP term? I haven't gotten in the grep styls yet. don't really get it yet.

    Thanks you very much for your help.

  • October 26, 2010 at 2:46 pm #57500
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Yes, InDesign CS4 (and cs5) has a feature called Line Styles (right next to nested styles) that lets you assign a character style to the first line of a paragraph, or the second line, or whatever.

    Nested styles work by specifying an “end character,” like “apply boldstyle up to the first 4 words” or “apply italicstyle up to an exclamation point.”

  • October 26, 2010 at 4:36 pm #57502
    Theunis De Jong

    Member

    so if I use a invisible character like a hard or soft return it will serve as an “end character”?

    Yep — and Adobe even thoughtfully included one, specifically for this case. It's called “End Nested Style”.

  • October 28, 2010 at 7:07 am #57519
    Ken Clark

    Member

    Seen that! Wasn't sure what it was for. Many thanks. I'll give it a go.

  • November 4, 2010 at 6:53 am #57573
    Ken Clark

    Member

    I'm doing something wrong. It's not working. I have painting directions to format for a labels. They have helv bold cond. run in subheads at the beginning fo each paragraph. I separate the paragraphs with .05 after each. Some subheads have either no character at the end, a colon or a dash before turning into the regular lighter face. Sometimes there are words with a colon or 3 lines of bold text right in the middle of a paragraph.

    So I bring in the clients text from a MSWord file and it's in say Times or helv narrow, whatever he typed it in. I already have 2 character styles set for helv bold cond and helv reg cond.

    Now I've tried selecting the first run in bold subhead and create a new nested style. I name the style, use the drop menu to select the name of the style, select up or through (tried both), select up 8 words, and end nested style. It changes the entire paragraph to bold.

    Then my nested style name appears in character style menu.

    I know I'm not stupid but this is a challenge and I haven't even tried grappling with the grep styles yet.

    What do I do to make formatting these label directions easier?

  • November 4, 2010 at 7:14 am #57574
    Ken Clark

    Member

    Good grief! I think I did it!!!. I took out the nested style and used the “New Line Style”. Paragraph looks like I want it to look.

    On to GREP!

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