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• • July 24, 2017 at 6:17 pm #96330
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    I cannot find a way to post a screen capture or post an attachment, so I hope this verbal description works.

    I have a numbered list of 37 items, each item is a 4-line poem
    The first character of many of the poems is a left double quote.
    I’m using Optical Margin Adjustment to align the first letter of each line.

    But if I do that, the list numbers are not aligned. A quote symbol on a line shifts the left number to the left?

    Can I have list number alignment with Optical Margin Alignment?

    Jim

  • August 22, 2017 at 8:02 am #96978
    Masood Ahmad

    Participant

    Optical Margin Alignment works on text frames not on Actual Text. You have to create separate Text Frames for the List numbers and apply Optical Margin Alignment on it.

  • August 22, 2017 at 8:51 am #96981
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Thanks, Masood.

  • August 22, 2017 at 12:41 pm #97011
    Michel Allio for FRIdNGE

    Participant

    Hi Masood!

    Don’t understand what you mean!
    Could you post a screenshot of what Jim tries to do? Thanks!

    (^/)

  • August 23, 2017 at 9:52 am #97027
    Lindsey Martin

    Member

    Obi-wan, here’s how I understand the situation. The poems each have a list label to the left of first line and the text of the poem is set off from the label by some white space, which prevents the quotation mark at the beginning of the text of the poem from moving to the left of the indent. Masood is suggesting, I think, that the labels be put in one frame and the text of the poems in another so OMA can affect the quotation mark at beginning of the first line of the text. It is not clear how the labels are then to be coordinated with the poems. One could no doubt achieve this using anchored frames for the labels though I’m not sure how one would automate the numbering.

    This is a problem I run into all the time with lists but have decided to ignore the inconsistency. In this case, I’d probably change the design to put the label against the right edge of the text frame, as one would when numbering equations, or put it on a line above the text of the poem, which used to be a common style for untitled poems. On the other hand, if the quotation mark is the only character that occurs at the beginning of a first line and needs to be adjusted by OMA, Jim could set up a variant of the list style that simulates OMA with a tab stop moved slightly to the left. He would have to set up another style for instances where the first line did not begin with a quotation mark.

  • August 23, 2017 at 10:03 am #97028
    Lindsey Martin

    Member

    Jim, how do you have the list set up? I am having trouble reproducing the behaviour you describe.

  • August 23, 2017 at 10:12 am #97036
    Michel Allio for FRIdNGE

    Participant

    Hi Lindsey, could you post a screenshot of the “crime scene”? =D

    (^/)

  • August 23, 2017 at 10:16 am #97037
    Lindsey Martin

    Member

    Obi-wan, not at the moment. Have to get back to work. I think Jim’s problem occurs only when one constructs the list manually and does not use Bullets and Numbering.

  • August 23, 2017 at 10:27 am #97038
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Many thanks for all the replies. This was from a few projects back and I’d have to go back and look for the specific example and try to post a screenshot, if someone could let me know how.
    But I won’t be able to do that until next week with a deadline on Sunday for another project.
    Jim

  • August 23, 2017 at 10:56 am #97039
    Michel Allio for FRIdNGE

    Participant

    Do we talk about something like this? =D

    Poem

    (^/)

  • August 23, 2017 at 11:00 am #97040
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Yes, that is it, except that some of the “poems” begin wiht quote and others do not!!

    Jim

  • August 23, 2017 at 11:04 am #97041
    Lindsey Martin

    Member

    Jim, this shouldn’t be a problem if you set up the list using auto Bullets and Numbering. Perhaps the space between the label and the text is too narrow.

  • August 23, 2017 at 11:08 am #97042
    Colleen Shannon

    Member

    Try changing the Number Position to Center or Right (in Paragraph Styles).

    https://i.imgur.com/W3LUYSh.png – Left is default
    https://i.imgur.com/XLyLycI.png – Right

    For posting images, I recommend getting a free account at https://imgur.com/

  • August 23, 2017 at 11:10 am #97043
    Michel Allio for FRIdNGE

    Participant

    …so, this:

    Poem2

    (^/)

  • August 30, 2017 at 5:59 pm #97135
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Many thanks, indeed, for all the help and suggestions.

    I dug out the old files and tried to replicate what I see here, including Colleens’ settings. But I could not get numbers and Poems to align using Optical Margin Alignment.

    The list numbers are not assigned manually, but like Colleens settings show.
    My settings are the same as to those I see in her two images, just different indent numbers.

    Anyway it’s too late to change that project. Turning off Optical Margin Alignment for that style got the OK

    If it comes up again in a project, I’ll come back here and spend more time trying to replicate your successes

    Very many thanks

    Jim

  • August 30, 2017 at 9:09 pm #97143
    Graham Park

    Member

    I think the trick is to change the amount of the optical margin alignment in the Story dialogue box (this appears to be the zone where the optical margin will affect) .

    The default is 5pt, change this to 30 or 40pt ( the amount required will depend upon how far your text is offset from your bullets) and the text will optically align following the bullet points.
    This sill also indent the bullet slightly from the left hand side of the text box.

    This might not be a perfect fix but it should be a good starting point.

    Graham

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