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    • #61321
      Tom Pardy
      Member

      OK, so it is New Years Day and I am relaxing (?) by going back through some of the old stuff on my hard disk and, realising that PageMaker is truly history, I am opening old PM docs in InD and then saving them as InD docs so I have more chance of opening them again in the future. Did I mention that I have a love for historical documents?

      A couple of things intrigue my holiday brain in laziness mode . . .

      Firstly, why does a single layer PageMaker document insist on opening in InDesign as a two-layer document with all of the pages’ content on the upper of those two layers (labelled “Default”) instead of the lower layer (labelled “Master Default” instead of the more usual “Layer 1”)? I have gone through each document, page by page, selected all (Command-A) and dragged the little dot in the Layers palette down to the lower layer. I have then deleted the upper layer so as to limit the file size of the document.

      And that brings me to the second intriguing thing. Why does the size of the document increase so much when it is converted to InDesign? I mean, it is not up a few percentage points but a huge increase. The document I have just completed — a single page document with just two graphics and a very small amount of text — weighed in as 148k as a PM doc. Now, as an InD doc, it weighs a whopping 1.3MB. Where has all that come from? I’m not good at mathematics, but I think that is a 543% increase.

      I am well aware that, when I used PageMaker, my biggest hard drive was probably about 500MB whereas my current internal HD is a terrabyte (external drives easily double that). So hard disk space is no longer such a primary concern. But it does seem to me somewhat profligate of Adobe to be squandering so much of their customers’ available storage space.

      Alright, I feel better now that I have had a moan (or, as we say here, a whinge) but I would like to know if there is an answer to either of these questions and, if so, what those answers are.

    • #61322
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      Happy 2012, Furry! I don't know the answer to the PageMaker layers question; that's odd. The file size issue is a long-standing one; check out this post:

      https://creativepro.com/why-is-my-file-size-so-huge.php

      and the InDesign Magazine article I wrote with Mike Rankin regarding this issue. I bet much of the additional file size between PM and INDD was from embedded color profiles.

    • #61323
      Tom Pardy
      Member

      Happy 2012 right back at you, David!

      Thank you for your reply. I went to that link and read through it (though I must admit I skimmed quite a few of the 43 postings) and I don’t think it really helps with the problem. Most of the images in the formerly PageMaker files I have been converting to InDesign files are Illustrator files so that the endless debate over 72ppi vs 300dpi (yadda yadda yadda) is not going to help. When I went through some of them looking for .tifs. .jpgs and other pixelated images, I found very few that were much bigger than a couple of centimetres across, mostly smaller. I did open some of them in Photoshop and changed their resolutions to something similar to their actual on-page resolution, then did a Save As but the change to file size was negligible.

      I have known about the Save As feature from way back in the PageMaker days (I began using it about 1994 or 1995) but again, I don’t think it applies in this case as, to save a PM file as an InD file, one HAS to Save As anyway.

      The embedded colour profiles thing might be worth exploring, though I am feeling out of my depth a little. There were only three references to “profile” in that thread of 43 messages and none of them seemed to offer any help. Perhaps you (or someone else who can’t leave the forum alone when it is a holiday) can point me to a suitable thread to help me begin to understand.

      For the record, I am using CS5.5 on an iMac (late 2007) running Mac OS X 10.7.2 (Lion). Virtually all of my work gets printed on an inkjet desktop printer (Canon iX7000) so, although it uses CMYK inks, like all inkjets, it prefers me to send it RGB files. Only on rare occasions does a job get sent to a commercial printer in CMYK.

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