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Multi-level Bullets like in Word

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    • #14397350
      Tiffany
      Member

      Does the latest InDesign update include a way to achieve multi-level bullet lists like Word? Or is there a better way to achieve this with less paragraph styles?

      As far as I know, InDesign doesn’t have a way to create multi-level “bullet” list like Word does. But, I was hoping there might be a GREP, nesting function, or something to ‘trick’ InDesign into achieving this without so may paragraph styles. Like making it think bullet level 1, 2 and 3 are the same paragraph so I can use the Space Between Paragraphs Using Same Style function… maybe an “if level 1 followed by level 2, ignore space after” type thing.

      I have the following paragraph styles:
      – Bullet (before & after space 1p0, 0p0 space between, circle bullet, 1p0 indent) for bullet lists with only one level.
      – Bullet Multi Space Before (only space before, circle bullet, 1p0 indent).
      – Bullet Multi (0 space before & after, circle bullet, 1p0 indent).
      – Bullet Multi Space After (only space after, circle bullet, 1p0 indent) if last item before body.
      – Bullet Multi 2L (0 space before & after, empty bullet, 2p0 indent).
      – Bullet Multi 2L Space After (only space after, empty bullet, 2p0 indent) if last item before body.
      – Bullet Multi 3L (0 space before & after, carrot bullet, 3p0 indent).
      – Bullet Multi 3L Space After (only space after, carrot bullet, 3p0 indent) if last item before body.

    • #14397358
      David Jeffery
      Participant

      I think I may have misunderstood your question?

      I have created nested paragraph styles – list level 1, list level 2 and list level 3

      I don’t know how to show you the style settings – I have a screen grab but don’t know how to post it in this thread. I can’t highlight the text in paragraph style options -> general to cut and paste it.

      Apologies if I have missed the point.

      • #14397359
        David Jeffery
        Participant

        The key to nesting is paragraph style options -> general -> based on:

        Again, apologies if I have misunderstood and you already know this.

      • #14397474
        Tiffany
        Member

        Now that I think about it, nesting won’t work because sometimes the first tab bullet will repeat itself before going into a double indent bullet.
        Thank you though!

    • #14397364
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      There is more about the technique here:

      How to make nested bullets / multi-level lists in InDesign?

      • #14397476
        Tiffany
        Member

        That’s basically what I’m asking about…

        Was curious if there was an easier way to achieve this without making so many different variations of the paragraph styles for a bulleted list… Or a way to use glyphs with the numbered list function instead of numbers or letters.

        Since that posting was from 10 years ago I was hoping there might have been a software update that I missed. lol

        Thank you though!

    • #14397376
      David Jeffery
      Participant

      Here’s a YouTube tutorial.

      • #14397477
        Tiffany
        Member

        The link David Blatner provided is basically what I’m asking about.

        I ran across this video too, it’s kinda what I’m talking about except instead of numbers (1, 2, 2.1, 2.2, 2.2.1, 3….) I’m using a different bullet glyphs for the different levels. Like in word, if you hit the tab once you get a dash, 2 tabs you might get an arrow, 3 tabs and you get a square.

        I have 4 variations for the first indent bullet and 2 variations for each of the different sub-bullets, so 10 different styles just for this one element. I think this is the only/easiest way, I was hoping there might have been a new or better way to achieve this.

        Thank you again though! :)

    • #14397725
      Nick B
      Participant

      Hi Tiffany

      I see where you are coming from, and no Indesign only does levels for numbered lists as you say.

      The way I could see this working if your bullets are normally introduced by a body paragraph is:
      – make sure Body and most paragraph styles use “Space before” rather than “Space after” for regular spacing
      – your preceding text should be defined to ‘keep with next’ so you would create a variant style such as ‘Body-KeepNext’ based on ‘Body’ but with the keep option set
      – then you only need a single para style for each bullet level with no spacing before or after, and put the “space before” for the whole list on the preceding body para (i.e. add space after to Body-KeepNext).

      This does not help with the “space after” your list, however. I personally wouldn’t put additional spacing after a bulleted list, it would take the normal ‘space before’ from whatever style comes next. However if your use case needs more than normal spacing then the above method would require you to have another Body variant with added ‘space before’ to suit. And just to add, if your preceding paragraph might be anything other than the Body-KeepNext style (e.g. and indented body style) then you’re back in the situation of creating lots of style variants.

      Another potential solution if your objective is purely to add space around a bulleted list is to have a ‘dummy paragraph’ before and after your lists with the ‘List intro’ style having ‘keep next’ and your ‘List outro’ having ‘keep previous’ set. You then have no spacing on your bullet styles and set very small font size/leading and add spacing on these dummies to achieve your outcome. This isn’t ideal for a number of reasons: you have empty paragraphs to look after; if you have dummy paragraphs set with a small font it can be difficult to see where they are; and if your dummy paragraph appears at the top of a text frame it can offset the list. So like with many of these problems it depends on the actual content and layouts you’re dealing with.

      Not sure that helps!

      Nick

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