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Kerning & Tracking Default – getting a better starter for ten

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    • #84178
      Anonymous
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      Dear InDesigners,

      I am new-ish to InDesign but finding my way around quite well. However there is one area that is infuriating and there must be a better way.

      I am designing a small book of short stories. Each story is up to 6 pages and made up of various length paragraphs, some including speech. The author is an artist who is very frustrated by the default kerning and tracking and said to me “Penguin publish millions of cheap books they can’t be adjusting every line!”. Well, in truth he is very pernickety and why not this is his crafted work; so having an artist’s eye he will look long and hard at every line.

      What my author wants is fully justified text, but it has to be balanced and beautiful, and even when you want ‘fully justified’ the last line may be ragged and finish before the right margin. This doesn’t seem unreasonable but it would appear to be very hard to achieve!

      I have altered the justification defaults to attempt to get a better starter-for-ten. No matter what I do there are always paragraphs that are really ugly and unacceptable – and I don’t mean one or two, which would be manageable, but a lot. I am left asking myself what on earth InDesign is doing and how it can present such awful word distribution.

      The first thing I tackled was the last line problem: InDesign ridiculously made every last line fully justified so we end up with some last lines that are really gappy with ugly word distribution. I expected that in the justification settings it would be possible to configure last line rules but this doesn’t seem to exist. So the solution I came up with was a global edit to add a tab at the end of each paragraph and that has made a huge difference.

      I wonder if there is a guide anywhere about what InDesign’s approach to calculating tracking etc. is. For example does InDesign handle some text characteristics in a particular way, such as quotation marks (speech marks); these do often seen to be forced to a next line.

      Is there a good guide to handling kerning and justification for prose and how to get the best, and the most efficient performance out of InDesign?

      My final question is: is there an add-on that would help?

      This has turned into something of an essay, so – if you have bothered – thank you for reading it, and I look forward to any suggestions.

      Thank you……………….. liz

    • #84179
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      First of all, you need to use the normal Justified Text setting, not the “Justify All Lines” horizontal alignment — unless you really do want the last line spaced out like that.

      Second, make sure you’re using the Paragraph Composer. And you can learn more about H&J settings here:
      https://creativepro.com/what-are-your-favorite-word-and-character-space-settings-for-hjs.php

      There are some excellent resources on InDesign typography at Lynda.com, or in Nigel French’s book on InDesign typography.

    • #84183

      Well, balanced and beautiful is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

      Besides adjusting the justification and stuff like that, a lot of it depends upon the width of the text measure, the type size, etc.

      And what looks good to the artist may not necessarily look good to another, and vice-versa.

      Good luck. David has given you some very good links.

    • #84195
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      David,

      Thank you for your reply and this site it’s a great resource.

      In general preferences I have settings that show I am using the paragraph composer and also custom Tracking/Kerning. The paragraph styles for body text have the indents and spacing alignment set to ‘Full Justify’, single word justification is set to ‘Align Left’ and kerning set to ‘Optical’. When you refer to ‘Justify All Lines’ and ‘Justified Text’ where is that, I can’t see a setting in the style settings with those values; I’m sure it’s obvious when you know how but being new and having so many options I can’t see the wood for the trees!

      I will follow up you recommendation; I have a Linda account and have done your courses which are excellent – which is how I found out about you and subsequent searching lead me to this site.

      I’m off to do Nigel’s course now…

      liz

    • #84205
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      Thanks for the kind words!

      Take a look in the “Indents and Spacing” pane of the paragraph styles dialog box. The first option is “Align” and you probably want “Left Justify” rather than “Full Justify.”

      I agree that it’s hard to have so many options, though that’s also what makes the tool so powerful. :-)

      Good luck!

    • #84213
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Hi David,

      I don’t think that will work as the right margin will be ragged and my author doesn’t wnat that – although I prefer it. What he want is full justification but taking account of the last line needing to be ‘not-justified’, if that makes sense.

      Anyway hopefully Nigels will set me straight.

      liz

    • #84214
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      No, “Left Justify” means “justify all the lines in the paragraph except the last one.”
      “Align Left” means “don’t justify any lines (also known as “ragged right”)

    • #84893
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Hi David,

      Nigel’s course did the trick and is excellent, thank you for the tip.

      Just to close the discussion I thought it worth mentioning that my confusion about the justification terminology is obviously because I am starting this journey with InDesign and publishing. However it’s worth remembering that I, along with others using Word and other common WP tools, colloquially use the term ‘left justify’ to mean what might also be called ‘flush left’ ‘ragged right’ or ‘range left’. I now know better and understand the types of justification offered by InDesign. If you don’t already, and I can’t recall about your Lynda courses, I suggest that you clarify this in your courses for us beginners.

      Thank you for IndesignSecrets it is a great resource!

      liz

    • #84895
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      Great points, Liz. The terminology can definitely be confusing at times!

    • #84896

      Word’s palette says “Align text left” for flush left ragged, and “justfied text” for justified.

      I’ve been in publishing for going on 30 years and “left justify” was never used to indicate “flush left, ragged right.” Left justified was just want it meant. Text aligned left and justified.

      Just my two cents.

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