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• • May 4, 2010 at 1:35 am #55622
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    Dear All,

    I'm making an Indesign Book. All my chapters begin with a left master page. When I import all chapers in the Book palette and synchronize the book everything becomes OK except the layout of the chapters. If the chapter has to begin from the right page the layout still remain as it was in the left page. How can I manage to update the layout so that the content of the chapters to appear correctly in the whole book?!?! I have selected “continue from prevous doc” in Page order Options.

    Thanks in advance!

    Regards,

    Milen

  • May 4, 2010 at 2:01 am #55623
    Eugene Tyson

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    In the Book Panel go to the Sub Menu – and go to Book and Numbering Options

    From here you have

    Continue from Previous Document

    Continune on next odd page

    Continue on next even page

    Insert a Blank (greyed out when Continue from Previous Document is on)

    Automatically update page and section numbers

    Continue from previous document will just keep paginating your document so if you end on left page, then the next page is going to be a right page and vice versa. I use this for Magazine Layouts and other layouts simialr, where there has to be a continous document.

    What you have is probably pages starting and ending on different right and left pages randomly. You could fix this manually, but it's unusual for a chapter to start on a left page (even numbers)

    So what you need to do is start at the beginning of the document and make sure that the first chapter is set to a left page as the first page, you can do this with Numbering and Section options from the Pages Panel when you have the first page selected.

    Make sure this is set to Start at an even number.

    Now go to the end of the document and make sure that the last page is an odd number (odd numbers on the right page).

    So you might have pages 1 – 7, or 3 – 9 or something.

    Now with the Continue from Previous Document checked (Book Panel Sub Menu>Book Page Numbering Options) your next document should start on a left page. (You may have to use the Update Numbering and Sections)

    That is the manual way to do the book layout. If you can't fill all the pages on the spread then put a Blank Page in to finish the chapter, just make sure you end on an Odd Page number.

    If it looks odd or you think people may think that the document is missing text, then I usually put a screen of Gray (just black at about 20 – 40 % tint). Some people put “Page Left Blank Intentionall” or just leave it blank. If you're doing a full colour book you can have fun with your swatches and end each chapter with a different tint of the swatches in your Swatches in your Panel.

    Or depending on the book you may put an illustration there, a diagram, some witty text, or some large text like a pull quote from the text – whatever you want can go there, if you can't fill out the pages that is. If you can fill out that page with relevant material then do so.

    So the automatic way of course is always there.

    In the Book and Page numbering options (Book Panel Sub Menu) you have the option to “Continue on next odd page” or “continue on next Even page”.

    In this case you want to continue on Next Even page (even numbers are always on the left page). And then the optiont o Insert a Blank Page becomes available, this will automatically insert a page at the end of a document.

    And if you have Automatically Update Page and Section Numbers ticked this can be cumbersome when updating document page counts, I usually leave that off until I have all the pages sorted out, then I update Page & Section Numbers through the book Panel Sub Menu.

    But if you're unsure of what way the pages will go then leave this on so that you can follow the page numbering as you update the chapters in your book.

  • May 4, 2010 at 2:13 am #55624
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    Thank you VERY much for the detailed advice… etc. Now, I will try to fix my problem… I have to read your post again and again : )))

    If I have any further questions I will post them here. Thank you again!!!

  • May 4, 2010 at 2:50 am #55625
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    Hi again,

    Im sorry to ask you again but I need help.

    Well, every chapter in my Indesign file begin with left page mastering (attached an image) and every last page of the chapers end with even number. What I have to do so when I import all chapters in the Book Palette everything to be OK?? The question is how can I make the layout of the chapters to change correctly accordingly of the lenght of the previous chapter…after importing the chapters to Book palette e.g. if the prevous chapter end on left page the next chapter to start on the right page and vice versa?!

    

  • May 4, 2010 at 4:11 am #55626
    Eugene Tyson

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    If you want your first chapter to be a left hand page (that would be the first document in the book panel) to be a left hand page you have to open the document and go to Layout Numbering and Options and say Start Numbering at Page 2. This will make the first document a left hand page.

    Then setting your Book Page Numbering Options and use the option “Continue from Previous Document” – this will let the chapters follow on in a natural order, so if chapter 1 ends on a left page, then chapter 2 will be facing that page.

    And for example if Chapter 1 ended on a right hand page, then Chapter 2 would come directly after this, on a left hand page.

  • May 4, 2010 at 4:44 am #55628
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    Eugene Tyson said:

    If you want your first chapter to be a left hand page (that would be the first document in the book panel) to be a left hand page you have to open the document and go to Layout Numbering and Options and say Start Numbering at Page 2. This will make the first document a left hand page.

    Then setting your Book Page Numbering Options and use the option “Continue from Previous Document” – this will let the chapters follow on in a natural order, so if chapter 1 ends on a left page, then chapter 2 will be facing that page.

    And for example if Chapter 1 ended on a right hand page, then Chapter 2 would come directly after this, on a left hand page.

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    Thanks for gettig back to me again!

    Well… when I say start from numbering at Page 2, the chapters go to left page but then all the rest text frames in the pages remain with their previous layout and don't change?! Here is a image… you can see the text frame away from the guides…

    Also If I want the next chapter to begin at the right page (it depends on the lenght of the text of the chapter… sometimes left some times right) should I do it manualy in the document on this way by using “Numbering and Options” before importing the fils in the Book palette?!??!

  • May 4, 2010 at 4:50 am #55629
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    Outclass said:

    Eugene Tyson said:

    If you want your first chapter to be a left hand page (that would be the first document in the book panel) to be a left hand page you have to open the document and go to Layout Numbering and Options and say Start Numbering at Page 2. This will make the first document a left hand page.

    Then setting your Book Page Numbering Options and use the option “Continue from Previous Document” – this will let the chapters follow on in a natural order, so if chapter 1 ends on a left page, then chapter 2 will be facing that page.

    And for example if Chapter 1 ended on a right hand page, then Chapter 2 would come directly after this, on a left hand page.

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    Thanks for gettig back to me again!

    Well… when I say start from numbering at Page 2, the chapters go to left page but then all the rest text frames in the pages remain with their previous layout and don't change?! Here is a image… you can see the text frame away from the guides…

    Also If I want the next chapter to begin at the right page (it depends on the lenght of the text of the chapter… sometimes left some times right) should I do it manualy in the document on this way by using “Numbering and Options” before importing the fils in the Book palette?!??!

    

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  • May 4, 2010 at 4:59 am #55630
    Eugene Tyson

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    I think the best way here is to make duplicates of your files, then start importing them into a new Book Panel and experiment how it works.

    Also, you've got your page margins set way out, and you've manually drawn your guides, which is a bit of a strange way to do it.

    Normally your Margins would dictate where the text frames are going. That makes it much easier for importing text and inserting new pages of text etc.

    I'm not sure what way you want your text to be layed out, your phrasing is slightly confusing for me.

    I've given a good break down already on how it works – so make duplicate files and experiment with the Book and see how it works, what I've already written here should be a good guide on what the different settings are.

  • May 4, 2010 at 5:03 am #55632
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    Eugene Tyson said:

    I think the best way here is to make duplicates of your files, then start importing them into a new Book Panel and experiment how it works.

    Also, you've got your page margins set way out, and you've manually drawn your guides, which is a bit of a strange way to do it.

    Normally your Margins would dictate where the text frames are going. That makes it much easier for importing text and inserting new pages of text etc.

    I'm not sure what way you want your text to be layed out, your phrasing is slightly confusing for me.

    I've given a good break down already on how it works – so make duplicate files and experiment with the Book and see how it works, what I've already written here should be a good guide on what the different settings are.

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    Thank you VERY much… I will try everything… to achieve myself :) thanks!!!!

  • May 4, 2010 at 5:41 am #55636
    Eugene Tyson

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    That's the best way – but if you run into problems let us know.

  • May 4, 2010 at 5:45 am #55638
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    Eugene Tyson said:That's the best way – but if you run into problems let us know.

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    I will… thank you once again for your time!!! I appreciate it.

  • May 4, 2010 at 2:41 pm #55640
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    Eugene Tyson said:That's the best way – but if you run into problems let us know.

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    Hello again,

    Well, Ive been practicing all day… and even now…

    I have another question. I have 2 master pages in my document. The second B – master pages contain the layout of the Chapters and a text frame. When I import the Chapter into the Book palette all text frames of the pages change and appear OK and their order too but the background of the chapter remain the same and dont change its position accordingly to the page. Here is an image… of my doc.

    Where is my mistake, how can I solve that problem?

    

  • May 4, 2010 at 2:41 pm #55641
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    Eugene Tyson said:That's the best way – but if you run into problems let us know.

    ---

    Hello again,

    Well, Ive been practicing all day… and even now…

    I have another question. I have 2 master pages in my document. The second B – master pages contain the layout of the Chapters and a text frame. When I import the Chapter into the Book palette all text frames of the pages change and appear OK and their order too but the background of the chapter remain the same and dont change its position accordingly to the page. Here is an image… of my doc.

    Where is my mistake, how can I solve that problem?

    

  • May 5, 2010 at 1:28 am #55643
    Eugene Tyson

    Member

    Yeh I've struggled with that too. And I wish the background image stuck to the spine of the book. That would make sense.

    One workaround is to insert the image into a text frame so you have an anchored object – then align the object away from the spine (or towards the spine? I can't remember, whichever works).

    
    

    Anchored Objects

    https://help.adobe.com/en_US/In…..6c43a.html

    Align Objects away/towards spine
    https://carijansen.com/2006/02/…..rom-spine/

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