Hebrew Glyph keystrokes in CC broken?

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    • #65296
      Eli Kroen
      Member

      In all previous versions of indesign (at least up till cs5, never tried cs6), when typing Hebrew with nikkud/vowelization/diacritics, a is the character for “shin”. Same for the vav charachter. U for vav, shift+u for cholem vav, option+u for “melupum” vav.
      This seems to be disabled in indesign cc.
      Still works in indesign cs5 which I still have installed, in Word for Mac, and even in illustrator CC.
      How do we get this to work again in indesign CC?
      By the way, these characters are still available in the glyphs pallet, but of course that’s a pain, especially when accustomed to keyboard shortcuts.

    • #65301
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      Mac? Windows? Using InDesign ME? Or InDesign with In-Tools.com’s World Tools plug-in? All Hebrew fonts or just some?

    • #65302
      Eli Kroen
      Member

      Mac.
      In Design CC US English with Hebrew support.

    • #65304
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      What kind of Hebrew support? ID doesn’t come with Hebrew support. Perhaps you’re using a plug-in or script?

    • #65305
      Eli Kroen
      Member

      Actually it does. Winsoft is out of the picture. No plug-in.
      Go to your Adobe CC desktop app. Click on preferences. Click on the “Apps” tab.
      There’s a pop-up menu in there with all the languages supported.
      Besides “English” and “International English” there’s also “English ???? ?????”
      That’s Adobe’s built in Hebrew support.
      Check it out.

    • #65306
      Eli Kroen
      Member

      I see the hebrew didn’t come through in my post.
      It reads (transliterated): tomech ivrit.

    • #65307
      Eli Kroen
      Member

      Without that enabled you don’t get the world composer, the dual direction paragraph arrows, etc.

    • #65313
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      Ah! I understand now. I didn’t know they still put “English” in the title. Okay, yes, it is Adobe’s own Hebrew version. Okay, so now that we have that settled, the answer is still: I don’t know. ;)

      But I’m still curious about the font issue: Whether it’s all fonts, or just the ones from a particular vendor. It sounds like a font encoding problem. Does it work with Adobe Hebrew?

    • #65314
      Eli Kroen
      Member

      It does NOT work with Adobe Hebrew.
      And as I posted, it works in Word, Indesign CS5 (I believe in CS6 as well, but I never owned CS6 to be able to test it), and even in Illustrator CC.
      Therefore it seems that it’s not a specific font or font vendor issue, nor is it a system issue.
      It seems like something Adobe did to the keyboard shortcuts in CC.

      Do you know any senior engineers at Adobe with whom you can take this up?

    • #65321
      Harbs
      Member

      I was able to reproduce this issue.

      The problem is that InDesign CC seems to be overriding the default OD input for Hebrew. There are various keyboard shortcuts for inputting glyph variants on the OS level. It’s strange to me that InDesign CC should be overriding this.

      The keystroke on the OS level actually inserts two glyphs in the case of “shin” \u05E9 and \u05C2. In InDesign CC only \u05E9 gets inserted. The same is true for other keystrokes such as option u and option o. (which should produce two different vav variants).

      It looks to me like a bug. I can’t think of a rational reason why it shouldn’t work.

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