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Hanging indents within paragraph (not indent here character)

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    • #59620
      sam452
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      We use ID CS5 to build letters in the millions with variable data. ID is used to build the letter templates and we use as many tricks in the ID bag to make these as easy to build as possible. Here's a thing that I cannot seem to do without hacking the copy into a way that breaks the rules of document building. My problem is that most of our vendors use software that does not like the “Indent to Here” character in ID. Lots of copy uses bullet points. We use the indent to here character so that subsequent lines have a hanging indent so the bullet is the leading character of a “paragraph.” However, each line of the bullet point copy is set off with a soft return so that all the bullet points are in essence a paragraph. That means we can use the vertical justification so that each paragraph is situated in a way to fill the space in a letter. Or we can build in a style sheet that uses a consistent Space Before value. That's a clean way to build these letters as we reuse them.

      But removing the indent to here character forces us to use the Tabs palette to make the hanging indent. No problem, but the rub is that if we want the bullet points as together to be in their own paragraph as above so that our other styles can work together. Without the Indent to Here character, then the hanging indent applies to only the first bullet. The crude way is to make each bullet point into their own paragraph. Then we'll have to make a separate style sheet for these bullet points and then remember it. Yeah, sure.

      I'm wondering if nested styles could be applied here? I'm reading through but don't think it can apply to keep the paragraph containing bullet points as it applies to a paragraph.

      Is there a better way to keep these bullet points into a single discrete paragraph?, thanx, sam

    • #59624
      Tim Hughes
      Member

      I would say that the problem stems from the soft returns between each bullet, they seem to cause more problems than they solve.

      I don't have enough time right now to go into how to use nested styles or ID's bullet lists but those are where I think your solution lies. All the best, and I am sure that someone here will be able to give the info you need (they are good like that)

    • #59631
      jpannier
      Member

      If you want to get real bullet points – these are list items – then you can’t get them all in one paragraph. If you want to use “space before” then you have to build two paragraph styles: one for the first entry, one for the rest (with no space before).

      In this case I would use the bullet list feature of InDesign as Tim suggested.

      By doing this you’re able to convert your content to epub as well.

      Jeldrik

    • #59731
      Jackspratt
      Member

      I feel sure I must have missed something, but I'll carry on anyway…

      Why can't you use the hanging indent (eg indent 6mm, first indent -6mm, tab at 6mm for first line) and then ask your clients not to put the soft returns in, or do a find and replace and automaticallychange all the soft returns to a space.

      Surely that way all the bullet points are in one paragraph anyway, and the text box will still justify vertically.

      I'm on CS3, so maybe CS5 has done something weird with hanging bullet point paras?

      Jackie

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