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• • March 8, 2015 at 5:44 pm #73823
    Anonymous

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    In french there are words with quotes like : l’Université.

    Is there a GREP that says to indesign : “Do not break words that begin with a capital and which are preceded by an apostrophe” ?

    Option “Hyphenate capitalised words” doesn’t work since InDesign doesn’t recognize such word as “capitalised words” and i don’t want to use the dictionary method.

    Can anyone help me please ? :/ I searched on the internet for hours in vain

    Thanks !

  • March 8, 2015 at 11:10 pm #73825
    Gert Verrept

    Member

    This is how I do it:
    1. Create a char style “NoBreak” (check in basic char format “No Break”, leave all the rest blank)
    2. In your para style, create a grep style with:

    Apply Style = NoBreak
    to Text = \d(?=’)|[\u](?=’)|(?<! )’

    Should do the trick

    • March 9, 2015 at 4:59 am #73827
      Anonymous

      Inactive

      Thanks !

      I try but it doesn’t work. I did a screenshot but can not show it here.

      It’s a German closing quotation mark (guillemet allemand fermant) on the word “l’université” : Alt+Maj+’

      I tried to change the quote in your grep style with the right quote but im not good at all in grep style… :/

    • March 9, 2015 at 5:10 am #73829
      Chris Thompson

      Member

      If it’s a closing quotation mark, would that be the reason for the “false” hyphenation? It thinks that the end of a quotation is a valid point at which to break the line.
      Is that even the correct character to use in this situation?

      Chris.

    • March 9, 2015 at 5:20 am #73831
      Anonymous

      Inactive

      No actually we have to use the quotation mark Alt+Maj+’ in french.

      Just use ‘ is not a typographical quote :/

    • March 9, 2015 at 5:26 am #73832
      Anonymous

      Inactive

      What’s happening is that indesign treats the quote as a “word” so the word l’Université is seen as a non capitalized word…
      So even when you ask to not hyphenate capitalized words, it doesn’t work :/

  • March 9, 2015 at 2:53 am #73826
    Chris Thompson

    Member

    When this occurs, are the French words set as French in the Character panel (or in a style)?
    One would expect the French hyphenation dictionary to work correctly, but you might expect a non-French hyphenation dictionary to make mistakes.

    I tried out a bunch of text which included l’Université, and I could not cause it to hyphenate at the apostrophe, even with a text box that was only a few letters wide. The smallest hyphenation I got was:
    …
    L’Uni-
    versi-
    té
    …

    Also, it would not hyphenate “d’une” at all.

    Good luck,
    Chris.

    • March 9, 2015 at 5:07 am #73828
      Anonymous

      Inactive

      Thanks. Yes it’s set as French.

      It’s precisely what i don’t want : hyphenation on “l’Université”

      I don’t want hyphenation on any capitalised words and l’Université is a capitalised word but indesign doesn’t see it that way (because of the apostrophe)

    • March 9, 2015 at 5:11 am #73830
      Chris Thompson

      Member

      Ah I understand now.
      Disregard my other reply!

      And I can also replicate your behaviour, even with a “normal” apostrophe before Université – it still hyphenates, when the option is set to not hyphenate capitalised words.

    • March 9, 2015 at 7:11 am #73837
      Anonymous

      Inactive

      Indeed :/

  • March 9, 2015 at 8:21 am #73841
    Chris Thompson

    Member

    I’d be very surprised if you’re the first person to be affected by this, but I can’t find anything else about it with a quick google.
    Let us know if you find anything else useful, please!

    Chris.

    • March 9, 2015 at 10:50 am #73848
      Anonymous

      Inactive

      Sure !

      Since this is a typical french pb there is very little information about it (there is very little info in french for GREP GENERALY not only for this pb =)

      I only found one site in french that talks about it. It was an old post. I can’t find it anymore but the solution provide was to use the dictionary…

  • March 9, 2015 at 10:09 am #73845
    Gert Verrept

    Member

    This one works with your marks. I working whole days with French text, never had a problem with the “NoBreak” character style. Below the grep style with the german quotes.

    \d(?=”)|[\u](?=”)|(?<! )”

    • March 9, 2015 at 10:37 am #73846
      Anonymous

      Inactive

      I’m confused. It still doesn’t work :/

      I often use the NoBreak character style for compounds words and it works perfectly. So I don’t think i made a mistake there.

      I don’t understand why it works with you, not with me :/

  • March 9, 2015 at 12:00 pm #73852
    Gert Verrept

    Member

    OK. Maybe I’m not using the right quotes. What you can do to see if it’s the case:
    copy the grep style into a document and change all the quotes into those you need. Then, copy the string back into the grep style and test it.

    • March 9, 2015 at 1:35 pm #73854
      Anonymous

      Inactive

      Im sorry it still doesn’t work :/

      The first GREP you give was the good one with right quote : \d(?=’)|[\u](?=’)|(?<! )’
      but it still doesn’t work.

      Thanks for your help anyway !

  • April 25, 2015 at 3:34 pm #74959
    Wosven S

    Member

    “No Break” should be applied to “l'” AND “Université”, using this GREP:
    \d(?=’)|\d(?=”)|[\u]’[\u]+|(?<! )’

    Another way with long words like “Triffouillis-les-Oies” is using 2 character styles : “No Break” and “Break” ([None] / [Sans] doesn’t do the trick):
    GREP 1:
    “No Break”
    \d(?=’)|\d(?=”)|[\u]’[\u-]+|(?<! )’

    GREP 2:
    “Break”
    (?<=[\u-])-

    • April 27, 2015 at 12:07 am #74979
      Alan Gilbertson

      Participant

      That’s elegant!

      For GREP expressions you’re posting in the forum, it’s helpful if you bracket them with an HTML code tag to make them stand out a bit.

  • April 25, 2015 at 4:07 pm #74960
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Waouw !

    You know what ? It works ! Incredible ! =)

    I really want to thank you ! This is something i was looking for for a long time !

    By the way a very valuable GREP because there is not two of them on the net, to my knowledge.

    Thousand thanks !

  • April 27, 2015 at 4:15 am #74991
    Masood Ahmad

    Participant

    Emmanuel, I also came up with a GREP code, try this one. It is small and working:

    GREP Style

    Apply Style: No Break
    To Text: [\u]'\u\w+

    I would like to hear from you whether it suits your requirements or not. At my end it is working fine.

    • April 27, 2015 at 3:46 pm #75012
      Anonymous

      Inactive

      It works perfectly !! Thank you very much !

      =)

  • April 27, 2015 at 3:20 pm #75010
    Wosven S

    Member

    Thanks for the tip Alan and your concise expression Masood.

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