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• • April 12, 2011 at 2:23 am #59231
    mrcmrc

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    Hello guys,

    I'm using InDesign CS5 on my mac, printing on a Epson 3880.

    I wish to print a ID document with a photo and a caption text below it.
    The photo is a tiff file with a ProPhoto profile embedded.

    My colour settings in ID are as showed in this screen-shot:

    https://www.hylarborea.net/down…..ttings.jpg

    The print result with a strong purple cast, different from what I see on my (calibrated) monitor.

    Printing the same tiff file from Lightroom 3 give me a perfect print (using the same print profile: the canson baryta used also in the print setting of InDesign you can see below). Naturally Color Management in the print settings dialog is disabled (both when printing from LR and from ID).

    Seem to me as InDesign print the document as CYMK and not RGB, but I'm not sure about this…

    Transparency Blend Space is “Document RGB”.

    Here the print settings summary:

    —————–

    Print Preset: [Custom]
    Printer: EPSON Epson Stylus Pro 3880
    PPD: N/A
    PPD File: N/A

    General

    Copies: 1
    Collate: N/A
    Reverse Order: Off
    Pages: All
    Sequence: All Pages
    Spreads: Off
    Print Master Pages: Off
    Print Layers: Visible & Printable Layers
    Print Non-printing Objects: Off
    Print Blank Pages: Off
    Print Visible Guides and Baseline Grids: Off

    Setup

    Paper Size: A4 (Manual – Rear)
    Paper Width: 20,9973 cm
    Paper Height: 29,6968 cm
    Page Orientation: Portrait
    Paper Offset: N/A
    Paper Gap: N/A
    Transverse: N/A
    Scaling: 100%
    Constrain Proportions: On
    Page Position: Upper Left
    Thumbnails: Off
    Tiling: Off

    Marks and Bleed

    Crop Marks: Off
    Bleed Marks: Off
    Registration Marks: Off
    Colour Bars: Off
    Page Information: Off
    Printer Mark Type: Default
    Crop Mark Weight: 0.25 pt
    Mark Offset from Page: 0,2117 cm
    Use Document Bleed Settings: On
    Bleed Top: 0 cm
    Bleed Bottom: 0 cm
    Bleed Inside: 0 cm
    Bleed Outside: 0 cm
    Include Slug Area: Off

    Output

    Colour: Composite RGB
    Text As Black: Off
    Trapping: N/A
    Flip: N/A
    Negative: N/A
    Screening: N/A
    Simulate Overprint: Off

    Graphics

    Send Data: All
    Download: N/A
    Download PPD Fonts: N/A
    PostScript®: N/A
    Data Format: N/A

    Colour Management

    Document Profile: ProPhoto RGB
    Colour Handling: Let InDesign Determine Colours
    Printer Profile: cifa_3880_baryta310_p_bk
    Preserve RGB Numbers: Off
    Proof Profile: N/A
    Simulate Paper Colour: N/A

    Advanced

    Print &as Bitmap: On
    Bitmap Resolution: 360
    OPI Image Replacement: N/A
    EPS: N/A
    PDF: N/A
    Bitmap Images: N/A
    Transparency Flattener Preset: N/A
    Ignore Spread Overrides: N/A

    —————–

    Anyone can give some advice if I'm doing something wrong?

    Also, if I wanted to export a pdf of this document from ID to try printing from Acrobat are these settings correct? :
    – Under “Output”
    – Colour Conversion: Convert to Destination (Preserve Numbers)
    – Destination: cifa_3880_baryta310_p_bk
    – Profile Inclusion Policy: Include Destination Profile

    Many thanks for any help!
    – Marco.

  • April 13, 2011 at 6:16 pm #59255
    Alan Gilbertson

    Participant

    Check that your document color profile was set to ProPhoto before you placed the image, and that your colour management policies for RGB are to Preserve Embedded Profiles. If you place the image in a document with a default RGB profile and set (as different from convert to) a different color profile, or if your colour management settings convert incoming color profiles if they're different from the default, you would then have an extra profile conversion being applied that would definitely mess with the output.

  • April 14, 2011 at 12:09 am #59261
    mrcmrc

    Member

    Thanks for your reply Alan,

    yes, I've set to ProPhoto before place the image…

    I tried to do some other google researches about double-profiling, I think that in a post of another user I've identified the same problem:

    Turns out that when printing from InDesign there are two places in the printer driver one must turn off operating system applied color profiles when wanting to use custom profile applied in the application.
    The first (at least for my current Epson print drivers) is in the Printer Settings under color mode where you turn off color management.
    But, then under Color Matching there is are radio buttons specifying ColorSync and Epson Color Controls. I seem to remember this being greyed out lots (as in Photoshop). But, when printing from InDesign, it is active. If you leave it on the default ColorSync, you get another profile applied. It has to be set on Epson Color Controls.

    So I tried to set “Epson Color Controls” instead of ColorSync, and the color are now very similar to that printed from PS and LR3.

    Not that this made me too much happy, I wish to be sure that custom paper profiles will be used; I don't get the difference between “ColoSync” and “Epson Color Controls” in Colo Matching dialog…

    – m.

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