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• • April 15, 2015 at 9:41 am #74660
    Matt Mayerchak

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    Hi all—

    I’m building a template for a product catalog, set up as spreads. There are running heads on both verso & recto pages, but these heads need to change every few pages to match the product name.

    We have a lot of situations where the product name is an A Head on the recto page, but does not appear on the verso – the verso may be a large photo with not much text.

    If I use a “Running Head” text variable, it won’t pickup the A Head style from the following recto page – it will use the text from the previous A Head.

    I could use Section markers, but a lot of the product names contain the ® symbol, and it needs to be superscripted. (A GREP style won’t work – already tried that; I think InDesign treats the Section Marker text as all one character or something like that, so you can’t have partial italics, etc. either).

    This makes me wonder why the ™ symbol is designed in typefaces as already superscripted, but the ® is full-size. Who ever uses a full-size ®?

    At any rate, I think I’m going to have to tell my client that they will have to release all of the headers from the masters and copy the product name in manually. Unless anyone knows how to get text with a superscripted ® into a section marker, or have a text variable pickup a style from across the spread.

    If I were doing all the production on these catalogs, I would use PowerHeaders from In-Tools, but since this is a template for the clients to use, I think that might be more than they can handle.

    Any ideas?

  • April 16, 2015 at 1:45 pm #74736
    Anonymous

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    Hello Matt,

    Try this:

    Select text.
    Choose Superscript or Subscript in the Character panel menu or in the Control panel.

    When you choose Superscript or Subscript, a predefined baseline shift value and type size are applied to the selected text.

    The values applied are percentages of the current font size and leading, and are based on settings in the Type Preferences dialog box. These values do not appear in the Baseline Shift or Size boxes of the Character panel when you select the text.

    You can change the default size and position of superscripts and subscripts using Advanced Type preferences.

    Hope this help.

    Artwork Abode

    • April 16, 2015 at 3:31 pm #74744
      Dwayne Harris

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      @Artwork Adobe: But how does that help with the running head variables?

      @Matt: I tried a few things, and I can’t find a way to do what you want. InDesign does indeed treat the variable as a single character.

      So far as the ® symbol not being superior–sometimes the superior looks like crap as it’s way too small and its too high. Which can be changed in the type preferences as Artwork Adobe said–but that would apply to ALL superiors.

      Some fonts do have it superior automatically, but the majority don’t. I know what you mean.

      Actually, I’ve work with a lot of major book publishers, and they prefer to have the ® symbol full size (but a few point sizes smaller with a baseline shift).

      Sorry I can’t help with your variable problem.

  • April 16, 2015 at 7:03 pm #74752
    Matt Mayerchak

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    @Artwork Abode: Sounds like you misunderstood the problem. I know how to make a superscript, but can’t apply multiple kinds of formatting within a section marker.

    @Dwayne: thanks for the reply. Sounds like there is no easy solution here, and it’s too bad. On other occasions I have wanted to use the section marker to hold text that had an italicized book title as part of it, and again, it wouldn’t work.

    Just one of those limitations of the way the software is built, I guess.

    I even considered making a customized version of the typeface, with the ® smaller and shifted up, but it’s too much trouble, since this template needs to be used by both the designer and the marketing people at the product manufacturer, who create mini-catalogs on the fly and are probably using Windows machines, which may introduce other problems. So, it looks like updating the headers manually is the lesser evil.

    Gotta watch out for those time-saving techniques that actually take a lot longer by the time you set them up!

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