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• • September 7, 2012 at 10:18 am #63091
    Olaf Nelson

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    Neither google nor searches of this forum have turned up an answer, so:

    I have a very long, very complicated book that I'm working on in CS5 (on a PC). For various reasons, I can't do this one in 5.5 or 6.

    One of the complications is that there is a ton of text in unusual fonts, as well as normal fonts. One of the unusual fonts is for transliteration of hieroglyphics. In the actual book, all the text will be black. But to make life easier for the author and editors when they proof it, I want to give the transliterated text a different fill color so it's easy to find any small occurences of it.

    The problem is that when I change the character color in the character style the entire book reflows. Since one of the things they'll be proofing is where lines of transliteration break, I can't have them seeing something different than what would be the case in black.

    It doesn't matter what color I pick.
    The stroke is set to none.
    If I check or uncheck the Overprint Fill box, I get different reflows. But still reflows.
    If I change the color and then set the tint to 100% it appears (I can't see every page at once) to flow the same as it was in black.
    But if I then change the color to black, leaving the tint at 100%, it flows differently.
    If I then delete the tint value, it appears to go back to normal.
    The reflows change depending on what percentage I set the tint. 90% is different than 100%, etc.
    90% tint in black seems to be the original flow, but 90% in some other color is not.

    I've seen this before on other projects, but I can't remember if I've seen it in any other version of ID. I think so. I've also never played with the tint value before.

    Coupled with that fun old bug of blank pages (empty text fames) after last line footnotes, this is driving me insane (some pages in this book are over half footnotes, and there are 6-line paragraphs of transliteration with 10 or more footnote references). I've heard that bug was fixed for CS6.

    Any ideas about the fill/reflow problem? Anyone else ever seen it?

    Thanks!

    <edit> If I just select any amount of text and change its fill color manually (not in the syle), nothing reflows. Ever. Even if I select the entire chapter. I guess I can do a find/replace to change it all without changing the style, but that annoys me and takes more time, plus it opens me up to somehow missing some later when I change it back to black.</edit>

  • September 7, 2012 at 10:33 am #63094
    Olaf Nelson

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    OK, that edit at the end was wrong. Turns out I hadn't looked hard enough. Changing the color manually does cause reflow.

  • September 7, 2012 at 3:58 pm #63096
    Theunis De Jong

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    Eerie. It sounds like adding a non-related attribute (the color) still somehow throws off ID's text width calculations.

    It doesn't matter what color I pick.

    This may sound crazy, but what if:

    1. You always set a color, leaving it Red for proofing, but

    2. merely change its definition to the regular black on final output?

    The idea is that if adding a “new” attribute to existing text changes the spacing, then you should always add it. I haven't seen this behavior before so I wouldn't know gow to test if this trick works.

  • September 10, 2012 at 1:28 pm #63108
    Olaf Nelson

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    You're saying not to change the swatch but to change just the swatch's formula?

    I'll try that, but knowing that color can have such an unexpected effect it will be hard for me to trust that nothing moved anywhere in hundreds of pages.

    Thanks.

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