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Centring text on the spine of a book cover

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    • #69217

      Hi there

      I am working on a book cover and i just wanted to run something by you guys.

      Do you think that it would be enough to set the edges of the text frame square against the edges of the spine specifications (A5 book, 148>spine=8.12 >148) and set the text frame options to centre?

      The reason why i ask is a professional graphic designer did our first cover and it looks like he set the text of the spine by another method, possibly the mid point of one of the letters of the font.

      Any help and guidance would be much appreciated

      Thank you

    • #69218
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      Do you mean vertical centering (space above/below) text, or horizontal (space to left and right)?

      Vertical centering is a tricky thing because different fonts appear differently, especially if it’s upper and lower case. It usually has to be handled visually.

    • #69219

      I mean vertical David. So could you advise a good practice/rule of thumb?

      • #69309

        Andy–to be honest–you are overthinking this.

        Text frame against the edges of the spine is fine. It’s no big deal if you are off half a point or something.

    • #69220

      I’m using Adobe Garamond Pro

    • #69302

      Would it not be fair to say that the exact middle of the document is the exact middle of the spine, therefore should we not align the exact mid point of the type face to that mid point?

      The question is then, how do we assess the exact mid point of the typeface? the middle of the capital H or the I?

      Any help would be most appreciated, thank you!

    • #69303
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      The problem, especially with vertical alignment, is that it has more to do with how it looks than any kind of mathematical or algorithmic rule. Type is all about how it appears, not what it is.

    • #69304

      ok, thank you! but am i barking up the right tree?

    • #69312

      Thank you Dwayne! You are right and i needed to hear that! It’s been driving me up the wall!

      I was just really looking for a method that would work irrespective of the typeface and spine size to make work easier, and to go with the mathematical seemed to make the most sense.

      Thanks again for your help

      Best wishes

      • #69317

        Hey Andy–I’m glad you didn’t take offense at what I said. I was worried about that because sometimes it’s difficult to determine how something was meant to be said and interpreted. I saw you replied but at first I could not find it as you didn’t “reply” to me but just posted.

        Anyway–you are pretty safe just centering like you were doing. And if it looks off visually, you can always just measure to the ascenders on one side, and the descenders on the other.

        I used to be a perfectionist years ago, but it’s not worth it now. I remember the days when our proof reader would say to move this 1/4 point this way, or 1/10th of a point that way. The anal stuff. But that was back in the days when typesetters could afford to do those kind of tweaks. We had two or three weeks to get a job out and the publishers were willing to pay.

        Nowadays you get in a 1,200 page manuscript and they want first pages in two days. And they only want to pay rock-bottom prices.

        And on top of that–you can make that space space perfect, but when it goes to the printer–it can still turn out like crap. Pick up any book nowadays and measure the head margin or the gutters/margins. It’s all over the place. The head margin might measure 1/2 inch (3 picas) on one page, but 2p8 on another. It depends upon how crooked they cut the stuff.

        My personal advice (and maybe I’m jaded after 25+ years in the business) is: Do not bang your head against the wall. Put out a quality job, but don’t lose sleep over it, nor try to be superman.

      • #69322

        Hi Dwayne

        In a world where so many people are overly sensitive, easily offended or on the opposite end don’t really care about the effect that they have on others by their words and actions your attitude is refreshing, sobering and reassuring.

        It shows that not only do you care about your work and but that you care about others, by sharing your experience and insight in the hope that it will be beneficial to others shows a great quality. And i personally think that it is really beneficial, to have that time served experience at hand in this forum for us younger and newer to this pursuit is really invaluable. I value your opinion, so know that it is well and truly appreciated.

        To the matter discussed, you are so right, crooked books! I have now produced 4 books to date and none of them have been produced as i laid them out, neither the covers or the insides, i had to send a 1000 copies back to the printers because the margins were printed squint. It was only by a few mm, but to me it was quite noticeable. Despite this degree of error being covered in their small print (another problem) i managed to persuade them to do the print run again. I was really quite shocked after all the time and care that i put into them how poor the printing was, and this was with one of the best printers in the UK! It is just a typical example of how crass our interactions and transactions have become. Mediocrity has sadly become an acceptable norm.

        Anyway, it feels like i’m waffling on a bit now, oh, thank you for the ascender and descender tip, that was the kind of rule of thumb i was looking for. Thanks once again, your help is always appreciated.

        Best wishes

        Andy

      • #69327

        Thank you very much, Andy :)

        It does suck when the books aren’t cut right, but I guess it’s normal. I’m sure there are variations that can’t be avoided. I think that’s why we have to follow minimum margins and stuff.

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