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• • April 3, 2015 at 7:18 am #74362
    Charles Lattam

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    Dear helper, thanks a lot, the situations is as follows:

    One 20 paged double-sided document with header and footer which is supposed to become an inventory catalogue for paintings. The major part carries about 6 to 10 pictures with captions. The captions are simple text-boxes. For consecutive numbering I designed the paragraph style ‘Caps Continuous’ with continuous Numbering. Since my caps have 2 to 5 lines each I used non-breaking line break [shift enter] to prevent further numbering within one cap. Now I want to create a Table of Content [TOC] to read out that paragraph style for an inventory-like list. The TOC reads from top to bottom and messes up the consecutive numbering. So I set the TOC style to ‘Sort Entries in Alphabetic Order’ and InDesign reads the numbering which works well.
    The problem emerges in the formatting of the TOC, where the second and following lines of every cap cannot be effected through the Intent Settings due to the non-breaking line break in the caps, I assume. I would like however that the TOC would display all lines after a tap stop intent from the respective number.
    I chose ‘Exclude Numbering’ (of ‘Caps Continous style) in the TOC style and applied a new numbering for a new TOC paragraph style I called ‘Caps Continuous TOC’ but the result is the same: I can chose the intent between number and first line, I can modify the intent of the first line, but I cannot modify the intent of any following line (probably due to the caps alt-shift formatting. Now I am stuck since two days … might sound silly.

    It looks like this:

    01 Painter: unknown
    Tripura State Museum
    Source: private

    02 Painter: unknown
    Tripura House
    Source: private

    etc. .. supposed to look like:

    01 Painter: unknown
    Tripura State Museum
    Source: private

    02 Painter: unknown
    Tripura House
    Source: private

    Maybe I should approach the matter entirely different. Hope you can give me some helpful suggestions. Many thanks in advance!

  • April 3, 2015 at 11:47 am #74387
    Charles Lattam

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    02 Painter: unknown
    …..Tripura House
    …..Source: private

  • April 3, 2015 at 12:06 pm #74388
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    i’m not sure if I understand correctly, but have you tried to use a “hanging indent”? That is one where there is a positive Left Indent (like .5″) and a negative First Line Indent (like -.5″)

    See:
    https://creativepro.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php

  • April 4, 2015 at 12:46 am #74401
    Charles Lattam

    Member

    Thank you so much, Mr. Blatner! That was so easy, making me look like a real dumbo : )
    Works perfect. – Now please let me proceed to the real problem with this TOC:

    Every page has around 8 pics and a separate page heading. I would have liked to include
    those headings intersecting the consecutive numbered picture labels in the TOC.
    The problem is that InDesign reads from bottom to top. (The labels are read alphabetically.)
    So, it comes like this, with the headings right in between:

    01 Painter: unknow1
    …Source: RoyalArk.net

    02 Painter: unknown4
    …Tripura State Museum

    03 Painter: unknown6
    …Tripura State Museum

    ROYAL PORTRAITS: 8

    HH LATE BIR CHANDRA KISHORE DEB BARMAN 8

    04 Painter: unknown2
    …Tripura State Museum

    05 Painter: unknown3
    …Ujjayanta Palace

    I read about this as much as I found and I am afraid there is no real solution to it …
    hoping you or someone else might come up with a suggestion. Many thanks in advance!

  • April 4, 2015 at 4:32 am #74402
    Charles Lattam

    Member

    As of now I have chosen a kind of cheapo-solution manipulating the text and text-frames in a way that main one comes first and the sub-heading second, then the picture captions. It works, but doesn`t feel very professional.

  • April 4, 2015 at 8:15 am #74403
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    I don’t know if these will help, but try:
    https://creativepro.com/fixing-toc-levels-that-refuse-to-behave.php
    and
    https://creativepro.com/formatting-headings-for-inclusion-in-a-table-of-contents.php

    and here is a crazy additional idea of how you might lay things out:
    https://creativepro.com/auto-reflowing-images-in-a-grid.php

  • April 6, 2015 at 12:14 am #74410
    Charles Lattam

    Member

    Thank you very much. I had read the first link earlier which had then confirmed InDesign`s reading direction. May layout was a little more tricky but I manipulated the frames successfully

    As to the second link`s topic; I have used a suggestion I found on https://forums.adobe.com/thread/688971 . I created a character style with No Break tick-marked, applied it to second parts of longer headings and placed a Discretionary Line Break before. Now it automatically breaks down at the Discretionary Line Break (and not before) when the title gets too long for the TOC.

    Then finally, thank you for the Auto-Reflowing technique; I have a bigger problem however with another aspect. I want to create a TOC for the
    Images, but of course InDesign’s reading direction works against my left-to-right pic numbering. As an example: With three pics each in three rows it would read 1-4-7, 2-5-8, 3-6-9. I had hoped it could read the consecutive numbering of the caption’s paragraph style alphabetically, but it does not. Now applying manual numbers works well with alphabetic reading in the TOC, but it gives a hard time when pictures need to be added later…

    Do I miss the forest for the trees ? I you or anyone else could help me with that, this will be a life-time lesson to set up consecutively numbered captions for picture inventories.

    Many thanks!

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