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• • February 21, 2010 at 12:34 am #54940
    Anonymous

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    I've been trying to have uniform baselines throughout a document by using consistent leading an paragraph spacing, for example: I might use 9pt body copy with 12pt leading, and spaces before and after will add up to some multiple of 12. However, the problem arises when, for example, I want a subhead of 11pt. Keeping the leading the same, shifting the type up two points nudges the baseline down a little, knocking out the baseline grid. Why does this happen?

    I hope this makes sense – if not, I can attempt to clarify.

  • February 21, 2010 at 8:31 am #54941
    Anne-Marie Concepcion

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    If you're using absolute leading (not auto), then you could make the subheads 36 pts or 2 pts (iow any measure you want) and it shouldn't affect your baseline alignments at all.

    Triple-click the subhead to make sure you include the ending carriage return in the selection, and then look at your leading field. There should be one number in there. If it's blank, or if it has a number in parentheses (meaning autoleading), that's the problem.

    If leading is not the problem, then it might help to post a screen shot or something, and link to that screenshot here.

    AM

  • February 21, 2010 at 3:38 pm #54942
    Dwayne Harris

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    My first thought is the same as Ann-Marie's.

  • February 22, 2010 at 1:39 pm #54961
    Theunis De Jong

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    My first though it, better make it a quadruple-click, just in case the subhead spans more than a single line ;-)

  • February 23, 2010 at 5:05 am #54972
    Anonymous

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    Thanks so much for that. My error was that I was adjusting the first line in the frame that was then giving everything else a shove.

    Now I know the topic goes around a bit but do any of you have a preference as to working by the numbers or using the baseline grid feature?

    Again, many thanks.

  • February 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm #54980
    Dwayne Harris

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    martys–my personal preference is to use absolute leading and all heads and whatnot are on even lines (i.e., even leading). Sometimes the design does not allow for that (i.e, an extract being on different leading), and I will have to adjust space above/below accordingly. I keep away from the align to baselign grid.

  • February 24, 2010 at 12:34 am #54983
    Anonymous

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    Thanks docbud – so can I just pick up something from my last post…

    The problem was that if I increased font size in the top line of the frame, this had the effect of pushing text down. So would the way to work around this be to include a blank space at the top of every frame with space adjusted to the font size of my largest heading that would appear at the top of a frame through out a given document?

    If that doesn't make sense then I can send through a screen shot.

    Thanks a bunch again.

  • March 23, 2010 at 4:24 pm #55251
    Rickard ÌÎÌ?rtegren

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    I find baseline grids removes all of the tedious math in countin points, but is still not to rigid when you start using baseline shift as complement in some paragraph styles. Say you have a second level headline that, when aligned to the baseline, sits just a bit to high above the body. Just base line shift it down 1 point or so in it's paragraph style. In Swedish we call this to “paint it down 1 point”.

    The header moves down one point, but it doesn't effect the text below.

  • March 25, 2010 at 3:59 pm #55314
    Dwayne Harris

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    martys–in book publishing that is considered adjusting the space below the head. Space is only adjusted above. By using that baseline shift the space below the head is being changed.

    When I have heads fall at the top of the page, I have my style sheet compensate for it by using a white rule above (or color none). I might make it a 2 point rule above off set by 12 points (being sure to check “keep in text frame”).

    That way when a head falls at the top of a page, the unseen rule above will push everything down so that the first text line following the head is on even-lines (i.e., lines up on the baseline grid).

    Are you trying to have your head sit on the baseline grid? Normally, at least in book publishing, the head itself doesn't need to sit on the baseline grid. It's the text following that needs to. I've had jobs where the head (and text following) had to be pushed down 1/2 line.

    Or am I misunderstanding?

    doc

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