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• • June 17, 2023 at 8:04 am #14393081
    Jim Smirch

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    Has anyone set endnotes keyed to phrases and line or page numbers rather than to endnote numbers in the text? This is an example from the Chicago Manual of Style:

    166 orthodox view of revelation Rilke suppresses two crucial details …

    “166” is the page number, “orthodox view of revelation” is the key phrase on p. 166, and “Rilke suppresses two crucial details …” is the note.

    Maybe someone who has worked with this form of endnotes could tell me a few things.

    Did you use InDesign cross-references (or something else) or just do it manually? Are there any plugins or scripts that you think would facilitate it?

    Do you know of any style guides with helpful guidance for their design? The Chicago Manual of Style has only one paragraph describing them in general terms and two illustrations of sample pages, and I’m looking for a little more than that.

    Do you know of any books where this form of endotes is done well?

    Thanks

  • June 17, 2023 at 11:31 pm #14393092
    Steve Davis

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    I also have a question very similar to this. I am about to set a book which has a glossary, index, bibliography, footnotes, endnotes and sidenotes!!!
    We’re going for a PDF as well as printed so I’d love somehow for this to be linked…

  • June 18, 2023 at 2:42 am #14393093
    Peter Kahrel

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    Jim: Endnotes keyed to phrases and page numbers are in fact a kind of table of contents, and you can set them up as such.

    The idea is to create the text of the endnotes in text frames anchored at the reference. For ease of identification, mark the key phrase in the text as conditional text (shows in the preview, doesn’t print). Those frames must be partially on the page otherwise the TOC won’t pick them up, but those frames can be set not to print. All this (and more) can be set up in an object style. The key phrases are in those frames as well.

    Define the TOC style to place the page number before the entry, and when you generate the TOC you’re basically done. The formatting of the key phrases is handled by a nested style.

    One thing that needs to be handled by a script is the removal of identical page numbers in the TOC, but that’s very simple.

    Unfortunately I can’t attach the document here that shows the set-up. And I can’t manage to include a screenshot that shows what it looks like. If you send me an email at pkahrel@gmail.com I’ll send you the InDesign document.

    Peter

    • June 18, 2023 at 8:35 am #14393094
      Jim Smirch

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      Thanks for the reply, Peter. A table of contents — I like that. I think I understand the setup from your description, but I’ve sent you an e-mail message for the sample document.

      One question I have: In your experience, at what point does having a lot of anchored objects in a document start to affect performance? I’ve thought anchored objects would be useful for a lot of things like this, but I’ve been leery of making the document too big with them.

  • June 21, 2023 at 8:08 am #14393182
    Peter Kahrel

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    Just for the record: I sent Jim the sample document and the script, and now it’s available here

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