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Theunis De Jong
MemberIt depends on your exact role in the book making industry …
- Are you the writer?
- Are you the publisher?
- Are you 'just the technician'? ;)
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Ad 3: That's me. I get a list of phrases (names, or individual words, or “the deconstruction of the Self in the Romantic Era”) and someone Up There says, “hey, I've heard you can make an index of these. Please do so, a.s.a.p.”. Only thing I can do is run a script that looks up each of the words in my ID file and adds an index entry for them. I recently got a comment “People with the same surname are concatenated into one entry. Also, the pages where they weren't mentioned by name are missing.” … 'Nuff said.
Ad 2: Erm. See above? Publishers seem convinced 'an' index — any one — is better than none. I tend to disagree, because …
Ad 1: Creating an Index is a skill. You definitely don't want a dumb 'list of words'. Proper indices contain 'see under' and 'see also' references; different word stems are concatenated into a single entry (where applicable). Names are in full, and appear as separate entries: “Thatcher, Margaret Hilda (British Prime Minister, 1979-1990) / Thatcher, Margaret (fictional character) / thatcher (occupation)”. If it's likely people would look up the 'wrong' word, synonyms ought to redirect them: “profession, see occupation”.
I usually state it's the author's responsibility to create an index, because s/he knows exactly what the book is about, what terminology is used, and where people may be looking for in an index. But Indexing is also a full-time occupation; there are people who are amazingly adept at it, even for works they didn't write!
Only after taking this into consideration, you should tackle the technologicalities, such as: how to properly enter an index entry into ID, how to add sub-topics and cross-references, how to edit existing entries … whilst keeping in mind all ID can do is create the “dumb” index! A Good index needs quite some additional work after that.
Theunis De Jong
MemberHow identical are the entries? Is it possible one has two spaces inside, or a space at the end, and the other doesn't?
It should be possible to fix this by (from memory) selecting the Topics display in the Index panel, and edit individual topics. As soon as you edit one entry to match the name of another, InDesign will concatenate the two entries into one.
Theunis De Jong
Member.. it doesn't seem very flexible to only include character styles by Adobe :/
But it's so much better than no GREP styles at all! It just should not be treated as a replacement for “Replace text” … ;)
It sure sounds this can be scripted, but for that the would-be scripter would more information … (As for volunteers, I, for one, am swamped at the mo' …)
Theunis De Jong
MemberThat's because GREP styles don't do any replacements. They only can apply character styles to text.
Theunis De Jong
MemberThere is no setting for an exact amount of space between the plain text and the first footnote, because:
- Footnotes are always placed at the very bottom of the text frame.
- The text above the footnote and the text inside the footnote may have a different leading.
- Widow/orphan prevention may move one or more lines from the straight above the footnote to the next page.
Point (1) is totally beyond your control.
To counteract Point (2) you could make the leading for your footnote text the same as the leading for your main text. The leading needs to be the same. The only alternative is to have the same number of lines in all of your footnotes.
Point (3) can only be circumvented if you totally and utterly ignore all window and orphans in your text (which is, actually, frowned upon) and never use any blank line at all in your text (because that might end up right before a footnote), and — worse of all! — if you don't mind having a heading at the very bottom of a page … (because moving the heading to the top of the next page would leave a blank line above the footnote, and you don't want that).
As you can see — hopefully! –, these alternatives are way, way more ugly than having slightly different spacing between note and text. Absolutely nobody would noticed that, but having headings at the bottom of a page …
Just don't be bothered about this.
(Seems like a very cool text, though. Heavy Metal Rulez!)
Theunis De Jong
MemberIt doesn't work like that. The Running Header variable picks up the plain text from the style (paragraph or character), all formatting gets lost.
(Somewhere in my long, long wish list is that Character styles optionally could get picked up.)
Check the glyphs list for the font you're using: if you are in luck, you can insert that character immediately as a superscript one in the chapter title. It depends on the font; not all fonts come with all (or even some) pre-drawn superscript characters.
If not, you'll have to use the Old Skool method, pre-variables-style: copy the master page, put the running header in the any way you like, then apply this master page for that particular chapter only. For the rest, you can use your automated headers.
Theunis De Jong
MemberIt's not possible, GREP styles are meant to look for text patterns only.
Theunis De Jong
MemberIt probably can be scripted, but it'd still need some manual tidying up.
Perhaps you could mark the 'updates' in the real text with Conditions — these are visible in your InDesign document, easy to insert (rather than XML), invisible in all output, and a script can gather all text marked with some condition and copy it into a new document.
It's also possible to automatically add a source page number to the copied fragments.
September 23, 2010 at 4:55 pm in reply to: Why don't the page up or page down keys work properly? #57102Theunis De Jong
MemberIt's easy to change the behavior to what you'd expect, though. “Next Page” & “Previous Page” can be found somewhere in the Keyboard Shortcut Editor.
(I'd tell you in what section, if I only could remember it — it was somewhere unexpected, I know that. Use the “Show Set” command to get a list of all commands, then search in there.)
September 19, 2010 at 4:06 pm in reply to: Paragraph Style with auto fractions and normal integers #57053Theunis De Jong
MemberAside, Chuckie:
Find: d+/d+
Change: d+/d+
(with backslashes in the most likely positions) Nope :-)
GREP codes only are there for finding, not for replacing. Either type any replacement text, or use a special code for 'what was found' in the Replace field. The code '$0' will insert the entire found item, and, when working with parenthesized groups in the Find field, you can use $1, $2..$9 to move them around or insert stuff between them. In your case I'd say every occurrence of a fraction would have gotten replaced with the literal text “d+/d+”, but your comment says it didn't work at all, which is A Bit Strange.
If you only want to apply formatting to found text, you don't even need '$0'. Just make sure the Replace field is empty. And, of course, provide some formatting, or else the text will get replaced with nothing.
September 19, 2010 at 3:44 pm in reply to: Paragraph Style with auto fractions and normal integers #57052Theunis De Jong
MemberOdd. d+/d+ appears to work just fine …
You really shouldn't be using your d+/d*, because that will match 1024/ — since the asterisk stands for zero or more characters … But perhaps the Opentype coding in your particular font is protecting you against this. The below image is Minion Pro:

You must keep in mind the “Fraction” Opentype feature isn't really strictly defined, and may well work quite good in one font (when done by a good Opentype-savvy designer) and not-at-all in other fonts. There are long discussions on 'how to write good Fraction code' on Typophile, but actually implementing all that code is left to the designer.
(Double backslashes show up as one. Be careful when editing, because then they'll be single ones and you'll have to double them before re-posting. I dunno about the images, I can upload one if I want to. It's possible David rigged that up for me ;-) )
September 15, 2010 at 1:22 pm in reply to: Change telephone nr formatting? (Jongware, I need your help buddy!) #57020Theunis De Jong
MemberThat's really good, Roland! Pat on the back from Holland.
I had a go at it, and you seem correct: it needs 5 groups (perhaps 4, if you don't include the '6' and put it in the replace).
You are in luck if all of the phone numbers are formatted the way you shown, otherwise it'd need .. let me see … This monstrosity:
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31 6(d) *(d) *(d) *(d) *(d) *(d) *(d) *(d)Replace
31 6 $1$2$3$4 $5$6$7$8— and you'd better hope all of them start with the same “31 6” prefix, because InDesign's GREP stops counting at $9!
Theunis De Jong
MemberThe usual (recommended!) settings for plain text is to keep at least 2 lines together at the top and at the bottom. In this case, the last two lines of the paragraph on p. 9 are kept together on p. 11 (what happened to p. 10?). These two lines do not fit on the previous page because they both contain a footnote, and therefore there must be enough space at the bottom of p. 9 for those two lines plus their footnotes.
It seems you are not allowing to break footnotes across pages, which is commendable, but in this case shows it not always produces “nice” results.
It's also possible the keep options in the footnote's paragraph style prevents them from breaking.
Try this: drag out the bottom of the text frame on p. 9 until you see the text wrap into place. The amount you have to enlarge the text frame is what you should try to win, on this page or earlier, to get what you want.
Theunis De Jong
MemberSo the text goes, “name address address name address name address address (etc.)”, right?
How do you know what a name and what the address is?
Do they come in with some formatting applied? (even though it's the wrong formatting) — because then you could use Search & Replace. Search for 'blue' text and put your Name style in the Replace With formatting. Search for 'black' text and put your Address style in there.
Are there blank lines between successive names, for example, a single Hard return? Because then you can apply “Address” to everything, then use GREP to format all paragraphs-after-a-double hard return. (Ask & ye shall receive guidance on this.)
Okay, had to try first ;) This GREP Find will find and replace either the first paragraph in a story, or just those preceded by two hard returns (and no spaces on that blank line, please):
^((?<!r)|(?<=rr)).Make sure the Replace With text field is empty, and your paragraph style is in the Replace With formatting field.
Theunis De Jong
MemberDavid, that podcast was from 2008 — I just stumbled upon (™, no doubt) these “Notes on InDesign 2 as compared to FrameMaker 7“, which places it around 2002 AD:
11. There are convenient shortcuts for all types of navigation in tables: move to first/last cell in a column/row, add/delete row/col, etc. Also, you can add rows or columns to a table simply by option-dragging the table boundary.
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