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Colin Flashman
Member@Eugene: it looks like Vincent2 has put a white box over the entire artwork and then applied a Tint of .1% and an Opacity of .01% to the entire white box, effectively making it overprint. after reading the post where the outlining fonts tip was posted by David Blatner, i think that Vincent2 has missed the bit where Dave said “off on the margin that will never be seen”.
In my work's workflow, a PDF made like this will fail to show the green as our RIP has a default function of making any overprinting white knockout, and i suspect thats what has happened to the OP's printer.
My suggestion was (and still is) don't bother outlining fonts when sending to printers who have modern level 3 RIPs.
@Vincent2: not meaning to refer to you in the third person there, but i would just not use the tip that david made. its a good tip but it has its place elsewhere, such as exporting pdfs to people that then open them up in software other than acrobat (i.e. corel draw or worse). the PDF/X settings embed subsets of the fonts, meaning it embeds only the letters of the fontset which were used in the actual artwork, but not the whole font.
Colin Flashman
Memberan excel file is easier to deal with using indesign's datamerge function. however an excel file and XML file are two completely different things. XML is best dealt with by importing XML and in my experience there aren't many paper resources for XML into indesign for prepress people EXCEPT for this book: A Designer's Guide to Adobe InDesign and XML by James J Maivald. well worth its weight in gold, especially chapter seven of the book.
Colin Flashman
Member@Eugene: it looks like Vincent2 has put a white box over the entire artwork and then applied a Tint of .1% and an Opacity of .01% to the entire white box, effectively making it overprint. after reading the post where the outlining fonts tip was posted by David Blatner, i think that Vincent2 has missed the bit where Dave said “off on the margin that will never be seen”.
In my work's workflow, a PDF made like this will fail to show the green as our RIP has a default function of making any overprinting white knockout, and i suspect thats what has happened to the OP's printer.
My suggestion was (and still is) don't bother outlining fonts when sending to printers who have modern level 3 RIPs.
@Vincent2: not meaning to refer to you in the third person there, but i would just not use the tip that david made. its a good tip but it has its place elsewhere, such as exporting pdfs to people that then open them up in software other than acrobat (i.e. corel draw or worse). the PDF/X settings embed subsets of the fonts, meaning it embeds only the letters of the fontset which were used in the actual artwork, but not the whole font.
Colin Flashman
Memberan excel file is easier to deal with using indesign's datamerge function. however an excel file and XML file are two completely different things. XML is best dealt with by importing XML and in my experience there aren't many paper resources for XML into indesign for prepress people EXCEPT for this book: A Designer's Guide to Adobe InDesign and XML by James J Maivald. well worth its weight in gold, especially chapter seven of the book.
Colin Flashman
Memberok, had a chance to check the pdf using acrobat 9 on mac 10.6.4. with overprint preview turned off, the green becomes almost white. however, once overprint preview is turned on, the green is quite visible and colour separates.
upon taking the pdf into illustrator to work out WTF is going on, i discovered that (when the overprint preview was off) the green becomes almost white, but again with the overprint on, the green goes green. however, while in illustrator, i placed the cursor on the solid green fill at the bottom and found a white fill which was set to overprint. once that was deleted, the green beneath was visible. I think this is the problem which your printer is talking about, because many RIPs have an action which forces any white to knockout, which is a normal thing to do, but once that happens, then the preview becomes almost white.
I think this problem is actually created by this paragraph in the indesignsecrets.com article:
Now you need to make sure your pages are going to get flattened. For each spread that contains text that you want converted to outlines, put a transparency object on it. If you want to convert every page, you can put this object on your master pages. For example, it could be an object with a Tint of .1% and an Opacity of .01% off on the margin that will never be seen. Or you could make a one-pixel large Photoshop file with a transparent background and place it on your pages.
after looking at the pdf, it looks like a white box was drawn over the entire artwork and then set to the tint/opacity as mentioned above BUT sent to the front. the advice above suggests that this only has to be done in a margin, not within the page and certainly not encompassing the entire artwork. the paragraph is unclear though and an illustration explaining this within the tip would have helped.
i'm not sure why the OP is going to such lengths to try and convert all text to paths and IMHO its completely unnecessary if the PDF is made using PDF standard PDF/X-1a (or PDF/X-3 for remaining transparency) as mentioned by Eelco in this post. i've read the original tip and many posts placed after the tip and feel that, unless files are being sent to older RIPs (like, WAY older) or the pdfs are being dealt with unusually (e.g. opened up in corel draw and then printed to a plotter – i've heard of this happening!) then PDFs should be fine. simply, if the PDF being supplied is to pass through a level 3 RIP, then outlining fonts is unnecessary if the pdf is made properly.
my buck o'five
Colin Flashman
Memberok, had a chance to check the pdf using acrobat 9 on mac 10.6.4. with overprint preview turned off, the green becomes almost white. however, once overprint preview is turned on, the green is quite visible and colour separates.
upon taking the pdf into illustrator to work out WTF is going on, i discovered that (when the overprint preview was off) the green becomes almost white, but again with the overprint on, the green goes green. however, while in illustrator, i placed the cursor on the solid green fill at the bottom and found a white fill which was set to overprint. once that was deleted, the green beneath was visible. I think this is the problem which your printer is talking about, because many RIPs have an action which forces any white to knockout, which is a normal thing to do, but once that happens, then the preview becomes almost white.
I think this problem is actually created by this paragraph in the indesignsecrets.com article:
Now you need to make sure your pages are going to get flattened. For each spread that contains text that you want converted to outlines, put a transparency object on it. If you want to convert every page, you can put this object on your master pages. For example, it could be an object with a Tint of .1% and an Opacity of .01% off on the margin that will never be seen. Or you could make a one-pixel large Photoshop file with a transparent background and place it on your pages.
after looking at the pdf, it looks like a white box was drawn over the entire artwork and then set to the tint/opacity as mentioned above BUT sent to the front. the advice above suggests that this only has to be done in a margin, not within the page and certainly not encompassing the entire artwork. the paragraph is unclear though and an illustration explaining this within the tip would have helped.
i'm not sure why the OP is going to such lengths to try and convert all text to paths and IMHO its completely unnecessary if the PDF is made using PDF standard PDF/X-1a (or PDF/X-3 for remaining transparency) as mentioned by Eelco in this post. i've read the original tip and many posts placed after the tip and feel that, unless files are being sent to older RIPs (like, WAY older) or the pdfs are being dealt with unusually (e.g. opened up in corel draw and then printed to a plotter – i've heard of this happening!) then PDFs should be fine. simply, if the PDF being supplied is to pass through a level 3 RIP, then outlining fonts is unnecessary if the pdf is made properly.
my buck o'five
Colin Flashman
Membermy boss did this the other week… inadvertently hit a shortcut which changed his keyboard layout on a mac… was really funny because as he typed, everything started turning japanese… literally! the fix was easy enough, go to system prefs, language and text, and make sure that only the relevant keyboards and languages are selected.
Colin Flashman
Memberi've no idea what your printer is talking about (i.e. unchecking overprint preview). as Jongware said, that is a screen function only.
I wholeheartedly agree with Bob, post the pdf somewhere and get a second opinion from… well… one of us :D
Colin Flashman
Membermy boss did this the other week… inadvertently hit a shortcut which changed his keyboard layout on a mac… was really funny because as he typed, everything started turning japanese… literally! the fix was easy enough, go to system prefs, language and text, and make sure that only the relevant keyboards and languages are selected.
Colin Flashman
Memberi've no idea what your printer is talking about (i.e. unchecking overprint preview). as Jongware said, that is a screen function only.
I wholeheartedly agree with Bob, post the pdf somewhere and get a second opinion from… well… one of us :D
Colin Flashman
MemberAdobe Indesign, as much as its faithful users love it, is not an easy piece of software to learn if the only software being used prior to that is word processing software. Indesign is Layout software just like Quark, Ventura or Framemaker, and there are many concepts which most of these programs share which have to be understood first before the software makes sense.
The forums are here to help but i'd say that hands-on training would be more valuable. I say this as that's how I learnt Layout software and i came from a clerical background. Its well worth investing the time in the training.
Colin Flashman
MemberAdobe Indesign, as much as its faithful users love it, is not an easy piece of software to learn if the only software being used prior to that is word processing software. Indesign is Layout software just like Quark, Ventura or Framemaker, and there are many concepts which most of these programs share which have to be understood first before the software makes sense.
The forums are here to help but i'd say that hands-on training would be more valuable. I say this as that's how I learnt Layout software and i came from a clerical background. Its well worth investing the time in the training.
March 20, 2010 at 2:46 am in reply to: Is there a script to combine selected frames as Threaded Text #55203Colin Flashman
Membertry this link:
https://ajarproductions.com/blo…..-indesign/
or if that link fails, type MergeTextframes_ID into google. should take you to ajarproductions, where the script which does exactly what you want is.
don't forget to thank the author of the script
colly
March 19, 2010 at 7:46 pm in reply to: Is there a script to combine selected frames as Threaded Text #52201Colin Flashman
Membertry this link:
https://ajarproductions.com/blo…..-indesign/
or if that link fails, type MergeTextframes_ID into google. should take you to ajarproductions, where the script which does exactly what you want is.
don't forget to thank the author of the script
colly
Colin Flashman
Membersee this thread:
https://forums.adobe.com/messag…..90#1322490
or if you don't want to read the whole thread, give this a bash
1) From Windows Control Panel, select Personlization. (You also can right-click the desktop to access this.)
2) From the left menu, select Adjust Font Size (DPI).
3) Select Default scale (96 DPI).
4) Ok to close the dialogue box.
5) Reboot the computer with the new setting.
one of my clients experienced the same thing. thought the worst until i saw this thread and it fixed it up right away.
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