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A mystery! Hrmm. When you place the items “nicely in a new frame” are you doing so on the same page, or in a new page/new doc, or on the pasteboard?
I would check to see if there’s a master page item/s causing a text wrap, look at story editor w/hidden characters on to see if there’s a pattern to when text gets overset, or an errant frame break character, select text and change para/char style to Basic/None.
AM
Are you perhaps opening a template or doing a Save As and starting from there? Maybe those settings are saved with that document.
As Vinny said, those aren’t the default preferences. If those are the options when you create a doc from scratch (File > New), try deleting/rebuilding prefs.
AM
Heh … great answer!
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