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  • in reply to: Odd para spacing before column break #63961
    Jasper
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    I kept trying to get around this, and do have a solution. It is inelegant, but does work:

    – Insert breaks at the beginning of the paragraphs you want.

    – Place a small text box somewhere outside the page (maybe near the beginning of the next frame). Make them 1-2 em thin but longish.

    – Thread your text into the dummy box first, then into the next frame you really want it in.

    If there's plenty of space at the bottom of the first frame, you don't really need the box, and everything works normally.

    If you're right on the edge of using up the first frame, that break character will flow into the dummy box, but the next (real) paragraph won't fit, so will flow into your second proper frame.

    Kind of a pain since you have to do it for every frame, but I haven't found any other solution.

    in reply to: Odd para spacing before column break #63922
    Jasper
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    Oh, I fogot a key part of the issue!

    The problem I described — a gap at the beginnign of the new frame — can obviously be resolved by placing the break character at the beginning of the next paragraph (that you want to start the next frame) instead of at the end of the last one.

    But this creates the OP's original problem, because the paragraph still spans the frames. And that means some space is required in the first frame — if there isn't enough, it gets automatically pushed into the second frame, and THEN the break character is read, pushing us into a THIRD frame.

    in reply to: Odd para spacing before column break #63921
    Jasper
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    I've just run across this as well, and spent some time investigating.

    It is not a justification issue: it relates to the way paragraphs and characters work. Because a break is actually a character, InDesign requires is be located inside a paragraph. The actual break is created *after* the break character.

    These two facts create the problem: the break character will be placed at the end of a paragraph — the last in one frame — but that paragraph will span the break and flow into a new frame. After the paragraph concludes, an “end of paragraph” symbol is (automatically) placed, which renders as a line break — plus any after-paragraph spacing will take effect. That means there's going to be a gap at the beginning of the new frame.

    So basically, InDesign assumes you're using frame breaks inside of paragraphs, and want them that way. When in fact, we don't; we want them between paragraphs. I haven't come up with any good solution so far.

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