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General alignment of objects (not text!)

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    • #88975

      Hi, I’m quite new to InDesign and my knowledge is very basic. I’m looking for help with some alignment issues, not for text but for objects and pictures. I am making a flyer with text and pictures using InDesign and my objects and pictures won’t align properly. It is all just a tiny bit off. When exporting to PDF the misalignment gets pretty obvious, making the work look very sloppy. Nudging the objects makes them jump too much and I’ve tried to drag the frames to make the size exactly the same, but that doesn’t seem to work either. And lastly I also tried the align object menu, but no difference. What else can i do?

    • #88976

      Can you post an image of what’s happening? Make sure you’re using the Align flyout menu to choose Align to Selection, Page, etc. Check the x,y attributes to make sure the frames ling up. If those are right, it could be screen rendering. Have you printed a page out to see if they are misaligned there?

      Also, try Export as an IDML to clean up your file, and try again.

    • #88978

      Thanks for your reply Colleen. I’ve checked the X and Y attributes and they match up. The flyout menu doesn’t seem to do anything (I guess that makes sense since the X and Y are matching?). I hadn’t made a print so I just did that. The misaligned shows on the print. I’d love to show an image of what I’m seeing, but how to post a picture here?

      • #88984

        Karin–

        You need to host the picture somewhere (i.e., 4share, drop box, etc. and then post the link.

    • #88986

      Here a picture: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ekofr7rlhlefbln/misalignment%20flyer.jpg?dl=0
      On print the misalignment isn’t as bad as in the indesign and PDF files, but still see some.

    • #88989
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      If you choose View > Display Performance > High Quality, and zoom in on those objects, do they appear aligned on the page in InDesign? That is, is it InDesign or the output that is the problem?

    • #88991

      On high quality display performance when looking at it at 100% it still has the problem, however, when zooming to 3200% it looks nearly perfect. So I went on and exported to JPEG to be able to see pixels. And now I see what the problem is; the lines of my objects are not sharp. See a pic of it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3gqovrl978l49z1/misalignment%20flyer%202.jpg?dl=0
      Any suggestions what to do?

    • #88992
      David Blatner
      Keymaster

      Karin, well that is just jpeg. You cannot trust that. I will probably be more sharp if you export as PNG. But for best results export as a pdf file with the PDF/X4 preset.

    • #89003

      Thank you all for the help and tips! I keep seeing the misalignment on screen but the PDF/X4 does print well and that’s most important. Thanks again!

    • #89018

      Karin, on your example, it simply looks like the photos are overlapping the text frames. Select those frames, then Object->Arrange->Bring to Front. If you want two objects to align next to each other, Align->Distribute Spacing->0. Also, Smart Guides are helpful to get objects to align by snapping them together. View-> Grids & Guides-> Smart Guides

    • #90959
      John Nettles
      Member

      I know that this post is a couple months old and you have probably finished this project by now, but I figured that there’s probably some other people out there with similar issues so…

      While the issue that you’ve described could be due to misalignment, I’m guessing that it’s just an effect cause by aliasing. The shapes you’ve created in InDesign are [b]vectors[/b] – they are made up of absolute points on a two dimensional plane and absolute lines that connect those points. Because of this vector objects can be scaled to whatever size you like without affecting the image quality unlike [b]raster[/b] images which are made up of a finite number of pixels. However, the screen you view these vector objects on [i]is[/i] made up of pixels and when you export a page as a JPEG it rasterizes the image. What does this mean? It means that when you are viewing vectors in InDesign some lines will look jagged and some objects may look slightly out of place because InDesign and your monitor have to render this absolute object onto a fixed grid of pixels.

      These misalignments and jagged lines can be diminished by what’s called anti-aliasing; it basically blurs the lines that don’t fall exactly into the pixel grid so that, when not zoomed in, the lines look straight and natural. Unfortunately, anti-aliasing can be very taxing on a computer’s performance so InDesign does not use it while you’re viewing a file. Anti-aliasing is used when you export a file as a JPEG (or as any raster file) and that’s why when you zoomed in on that JPEG the lines looked blurry and misaligned; it’s not actually misaligned, it’s just that the middle happens to be in the middle of a pixel so the middle row and middle column are showing up as a mix of the abutting objects.

      I know that Illustrator has a “snap to pixel grid” option (in the Transform panel) to mitigate these issues when exporting vectors as raster images, but I don’t think InDesign has this option. If, for some reason, it is vitally important that all of the point are perfectly aligned to the pixel grid then you should try working in Illustrator or Photoshop, but if what you’re designing is for print then you most likely don’t need to worry about this. When it comes to print, just make sure that any raster graphics you use are at a high enough effective pixel density (aka effective ppi/dpi).

      I hope this information helps you or anyone else that may have a similar problem. If you have any questions, feel free to reply and I’ll get back to you if I know the answer.

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