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• • April 18, 2011 at 8:35 pm #59308
    lshiffri

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    I have been searching and reading everything out there but can't make this work. I need page 1 to be on physical page 7. I tried a new master but it shows “page 7” and I cannot figure out how to tell it to start at page 1. If I use special characters>markers the page number is not displayed anywhere. I have not found exact steps anywhere on how this should be done. It doesn't seem like this should be so difficult. Help, please.

  • April 19, 2011 at 1:25 am #59309
    Theunis De Jong

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    https://community.adobe.com/hel…..p;hl=en_US

    If you follow the very first link this lists, it tells you how to “Add basic page numbering”; it walks you through the steps of adding a page numbering marker to the master page and setting its style & numbering.

    Related to that is https://help.adobe.com/en_US/in…..710ca.html; it describes section numbering in more detail.

  • April 19, 2011 at 6:48 am #59317
    lshiffri

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    Thanks very much for the suggestions. Unfortunately I have tried these articles and more. It has not worked. Maybe I'm missing something. The trouble with adding it to the master page is I cannot find a way to tell it to start at “page 1” when it is really page 7.

  • April 19, 2011 at 7:11 am #59318
    Theunis De Jong

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    .. Are you trying to set a new page number start on a master page? That's not going to work. You can only change it on a regular page:

    

  • April 19, 2011 at 7:18 am #59319
    lshiffri

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    When I try to set the numbering on the screen you are showing it doesn't display on the page. I can't find anywhere the steps to make it disiplay. In one forum when someone had the same problem they were told to use master pages. What is the trick?

  • April 19, 2011 at 8:42 am #59322
    Nenad Marinkovic

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    Right click to 7th page in pages panel, choose section and numbering, check start section, then set start page numbering at: 1

  • April 19, 2011 at 11:34 am #59323
    lshiffri

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    When I try this I get a message that a “a page number in this section already exists in another section….” and to cancel or OK & choose Absolute Numbering.

  • April 19, 2011 at 11:59 am #59324
    Nenad Marinkovic

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    That happens to me also, check General tad in Preferences and set page numbering view from absolute to section.

    That message you wrote warns you that you will have two pages with same number, so its better to change numbers Style to roman numerals for first six pages ( in your case ). for example I, II, III, IV, V, VI, 1, 2, 3,4, 5…etc
  • April 19, 2011 at 1:57 pm #59326
    Alan Gilbertson

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    lshiffri said:I have been searching and reading everything out there but can't make this work. I need page 1 to be on physical page 7. I tried a new master but it shows “page 7” and I cannot figure out how to tell it to start at page 1. If I use special characters>markers the page number is not displayed anywhere. I have not found exact steps anywhere on how this should be done. It doesn't seem like this should be so difficult. Help, please.

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    Shone's got it right. The situation you describe is the standard one for a book layout. The first physical pages, containing the half-title, title, copyright, TOC, preface and sometimes other bits are collectively called “Front Matter.” They are almost always given lowercase roman numerals (whether they are shown, as on the TOC, Preface, etc., or not, as on the title and half-title pages). In the Numbering and Section options for that section, you would choose lowercase roman numerals. The seventh page is the actual beginning of the book, so it is the start of a new section, and its Numbering and Section Options should be set to start numbering at page 1 and to use regular Arabic numerals.

  • April 19, 2011 at 6:06 pm #59333
    lshiffri

    Member

    Bad news – it is set to Section Numbering. I never changed it. Maybe it should be Absolute Numbering.

  • April 20, 2011 at 7:32 am #59339
    Nenad Marinkovic

    Member

    You are definitely missing something or it's some bug i don't know, I mean you have the solution described above.

    Check your pages panel and look for black triangle above 7th page (it should be there if your section is starting from there), and section start should be checked and start page numbering should be set to 1. When you do that it's better to change style to Roman numerals for first six pages so you don't have two pages with number 3 for example.

    Also don't change section numbering in Preferences, because you have sections in document, right

    One more thing, maybe your master page isn't set correctly. Did you create text box and insert special character (current page number) on both pages (if you have facing pages) in master spread ?

  • April 20, 2011 at 8:05 am #59341
    Nenad Marinkovic

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    Check your pages panel and look for black triangle above 7th page

    I forgot to mention to double click on black triangle

  • April 20, 2011 at 9:09 am #59343
    lshiffri

    Member

    OK, I think I got it, only my text is all messed up by applying masters (only a few pages). Here are the steps which might be wordy but I think say what needs to be done (didn't find this anywhere). Note that one of my big mistakes was to apply the B-Master starting with page 7 which was wrong because the new section started with page 1 (physical 7).

    1. Go to Pages panel

    2. Set Section 1 (Page 1 by default) to Roman numbering (i, ii, etc.) by right-clicking page 1 in Pages and selecting the “Pages & Numbering” option. In Numbering & Section Options, set “Start Page Numbering at” to “1” and set Page Numbering Style to “i, ii, iii, iv…”. A black triangle will now be above page 1 in the Pages panel. When hovering over, it will show “Start of “1””. Roman numerals will be displayed under each page in the panel.

    3. In the Pages panel, scroll to the page where page numbering should be present on the page and begin at “1”. Right click the page and again go to Pages & Numbering”. Again set Page Numbering to start at “1” but set the Style to be “1,2,3…”. This will create a new section. A black triangle will be displayed over the page which will also say “Start of “1””. The numbers under this page and the subsequent pages will be 1, 2, 3, etc.

    4. Create new Master to use for the pages where page number should be displayed. Copy A-Master (right-click and select Duplicate). Double-click new B-Master which displays it on the screen. Create a text box (select Text tool) at the location the page number should be displayed on the page. Type any text desired to preceed number (i.e. “Page “), then go to Type>Insert Special Characters>Marker and select “Current Page Number”. The text box will display “B” to represent the page number on the B-Master.

    5. The last step is to apply the B-Master to the appropriate pages. In the Pages panel, right-click the page where the page numbers will start (the first page in the new section with the black triangle) and select Apply Master. Enter the page range (starting with 1 because this is page 1 of the new section).

    The pages with the B-Master applied (section 2) should now display the page number where the A-Master pages should not.

  • April 20, 2011 at 9:44 am #59349
    Nenad Marinkovic

    Member

    If you use master page only for numbering you don't have to create another master page just for that, you can ctrl+shift+left click on text frame to unlock it and then hit the delete key or backspace key to delete it (on regular page, not master), or you can simply apply [None] Master for pages where you don't want number to appear.

  • April 20, 2011 at 10:34 am #59351
    lshiffri

    Member

    Those are great hints. I guess the manual override would depend on how many pages you had to do that with. I did see the “none” master but wasn't sure if you actually needed a mater applied. As you can tell I'm new to ID. I used PM years ago.

  • April 20, 2011 at 3:10 pm #59355
    Alan Gilbertson

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    Most likely your A master will be what you'll use for most pages. Secondary masters are useful for pages such as chapter openers, where you want the top margin to be lower on the page than regular text pages, splash pages that mark the beginning of a new section of the book, full-page illustrations or any other situations where you need some other kind of variation from the most common page style. Basing your secondary masters on the A master means that if, for example, you decide that the margins need to be changed, you can change them on the A master and have them change on all the rest.

    Drag a master page and drop it on a page thumbnail in the pages panel to assign that master to the page.

    You can drag the “None” master over a page in the pages panel where you want a totally blank page (such as the left-hand page facing a chapter opener), but I wouldn't use it for anything else. The whole idea of having master pages is that, as with paragraph and character styles, you can make a change in one place and have it update everywhere it applies in the document. Except for very simple projects (and not even then, in my opinion), you should avoid overrides in styles or master pages. Best practice is to get thoroughly into the habit of creating styles and master pages, and don't break it!

    The simplest ways to start a new section, by the way, are to a) right-click the page thumbnail in the pages panel and pick “Numbering and Section Options” from the menu, or b) select the page in the pages panel and choose “Numbering and Section Options” from the panel flyout menu. The black triangle appears only after you have established the page as a section opener.

    Nigel French's excellent “InDesign Type” is a great book to get you up to speed on all things typographic, by the way. It covers all this kind of stuff and a lot more. To get up to speed fast with InDesign in general, get a subscription to Lynda.com and check out David's “Essential Training” titles for InDesign.

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