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May 14, 2015 at 3:55 pm #75379
Rob Brandt
MemberWe have a document of scientific abstracts that we publish once per year, and this year we are using Creative Cloud 2014 for the first time. We import the content via XML.
Using the same template from Create Suite, we are getting random words inserted along with the imported content. For example:
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12 MATHEWS, SARAH*1, MAAS, JANW.2,VELDHUIJZEN, KATRUI2 and BRANDA?O, RITA D.1
Evo-devo in gymnosperm clades – the tremendous potential of old and new tToolsGuatteria
he seed plant clades, cycadophytes, Ginkgo, gneto-
phytes, Pinaceae, and cupressophytes, are morpho- logically diverse and are relatively to highly divergent from one another and from their angiosperm relatives. Progress in gymnosperm evo-devo has been hampered by the lack of tractable genetic models and the recalci- trance of many taxa to techniques such as situ hybrid- ization. Studies of the evolution of development in these clades, however, are particularly relevant to understand- ing the evolution of leaves, ovules, and vascular cambia, among others. In this talk, I will present an overview of progress to date and then discuss exciting opportu- nities to expand the horizons of this field by merging new approaches and data with existing approaches and data from biochemistry, molecular genetics, mor- phology, paleobotany, and physiology. I argue that we should greatly broaden the focus of evo-devo studies and do more than take advantage of the phenomenon of burgeoning databases. Recent advances in network modeling and morphospace analyses, for example, can be combined with omics, physiological, and paleobo- tanical data to generate testable hypotheses, and to put ourselves in a position of filling holes in our knowledge rather than building it by adding one small brick at a time.GuatteriaGuatteria blainii GuatteriaGuatteria caribaea G. blainii G. caribaea
1CSIRO National Research Collections Australia, The Australian National Herbarium, Canberra, ACT, 2601, Australia2Utrecht Uni- versity, Biology, Ecology and Biodiversity Group, The Netherlands
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The word “Guatteria” after “Tools” in the title does not exist in our imported content, nor does “GuatteriaGuatteria blainii GuatteriaGuatteria caribaea G. blainii G. caribaea” after the word “time.” at the end of the abstract body text.Whenever random words appear in our document – and there are many different ones – they are always tacked on to the end of the title or on the end of the body text.
We’ve retested the import with the old version of inDesign and it still works.
Where is this coming from?
Thanks
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May 14, 2015 at 10:48 pm #75383
Alan Gilbertson
ParticipantIt may relate to a bug that I just reported the other day (and is now on the schedule to be fixed). Importing .rtf content that was generated by InDesign in the first place adds various kinds of bric-a-brac to paragraph styles that are seen by InDesign as local overrides.
Even if this is the case, and it’s quite possible that what you’re seeing is something entirely disrelated, you should report your problem result as a bug in CC 2014 so there’s a chance of it being fixed before the next version rains down upon us from the Creative Cloud.
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May 15, 2015 at 1:51 am #75384
Theunis De Jong
Member“… they are always tacked on to the end of the title or on the end of the body text.”
Position and content suggests to me these are index terms, rather than totally random words. At least, that could be the case if the imported text allows index entries (such as a Word .doc/.docx and RTF).
A nice theory, but: “We import the content via XML.”
The phrases are *not* random, “G. blainii” is a plant species and the text is about plants. But surely InDesign is not smart enough to Google and insert random *relevant* phrases! If this was an XML document, there is no “hidden content” and you should be able to find the text in the original file with a plain text editor. It won’t help you but maybe the placement and type of the surrounding tags may give the InDesign programmers a clue: they might want to see a sample XML file that consistently show this behavior.
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May 15, 2015 at 3:05 am #75388
Masood Ahmad
Participant@Jongware, a very quick research indeed, loved it.
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May 15, 2015 at 10:09 am #75404
Rob Brandt
MemberThank you all. I have searched the XML raw text already for many of these terms; some show up and others don’t. Neither “G. blainii” nor Guatteria appear in the raw XML. We are a scientific society, so my thought is that there’s some other data source being linked in here. So these words aren’t “random” in the scope of our work, but they are random in the scope of this document. We use CC for other inDesign documents as well, so this idea might have some validity.
We noticed this issue while proofing the first draft. While continuing proofing, I encountered the following other oddity towards the end of the document:
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870 GOSTEL, , MORGAN
Crafting an effective elevator speech and Communicating Broader Impacts of Your Work: Networking Workshop for Students and PostDocs
For each of us, a professional conference is an op-
portunity to develop skills as scientists and commu- nicate with an ever-growing network of colleagues. The communication component reveals itself in different forms, yet there are some central tenants to brief profes- sional communication that should not be overlooked. The ““elevator speech” has received substantial attention recently, particularly in the sciences as the need for sci- ence communication grows due to a variety of factors — whether we share our work in public policy venues or at job interviews. Crafting an effective elevator speech requires us to think outside of our discipline and ad- dress the broader impacts of our work. This workshop will bring together students and post-doctoral fellows at different stages of their career to hone an elevator speech they have already preparedalready preparedalready pre- paredalready preparedalready preparedalready prepare- dalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedal- ready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready pre- paredalready preparedalready preparedalready prepare- dalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedal- ready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready pre- paredalready preparedalready preparedalready prepare- dalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedal- ready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready preparedalready prepared. Following a brief introduction with helpful tips for crafting your speech, we will have a break out session to revise or modify our elevator speeches using tips from our key- note speaker, and finally, we will organize into groups to share these elevator speeches. The social atmosphere of the event will contribute to opportunities for candid, constructive feedback and we encourage participants to use this interaction as practice toward pitching your elevator speech throughout the rest of your time at the botany meetings.
George Mason University, Department of Environmental Science and Policy, 4400 University Drive, David King Hall MSN 5F2, Fair- fax, VA, 22030
******************It’s nice to know Morgan is “already prepared”, but he doesn’t have to say it so many times! :) Again, this phrase is not found anywhere in the XML text. What’s more, this phrase was inserted into about 30 different abstracts, and Morgan’s particular abstract was repeated 216 times, mostly sequentially but not always. So, this thing is hosed in more ways than one.
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May 15, 2015 at 11:05 am #75406
Alan Gilbertson
ParticipantSounds like a case for The Doctor and his sonic screwdriver. Probably another of those timey-wimey inter-dimensional leak thingies…
[Edit] Glad you tracked it down. Even with templates, a quick trip through idml is a great idea whenever you switch versions, just to be sure.
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May 15, 2015 at 11:04 am #75405
Rob Brandt
MemberIt appears that something got mangled in the template. The tip off was that this last abstract was from last year, so apparently it wasn’t as clean a template as it appeared to be. We started the whole process over from scratch and it’s now OK.
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May 15, 2015 at 2:17 pm #75414
Anonymous
InactiveWithout seeing the original content it’s impossible to know.
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