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• • April 15, 2010 at 2:42 pm #55526
    Chris Vogel

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    In a book design, the paragraph style on the first page is different (larger size and leading) than the remainder of the chapter. Right now, I am not linking the first page to the rest of the chapter.

    I've always thought it was impossible to link the frames if the same paragraph continues in a frame with a different style, but it would certainly be useful when it comes time to make corrections. I have a vague memory of reading a tip on how to do this somewhere (here? the Adobe forum?), but I can't find it anywhere.

    Does anyone else remember this or am I just dreaming?

    here's a link for what I'm trying to do

    https://files.nga.gov/seos/1000/mpd/23042010f613fbb436a77aad458039861d794c9c

    Chris

  • April 15, 2010 at 3:13 pm #55528
    Theunis De Jong

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    This one? https://creativepro.com/mak…..design.php

    It'll only work if your larger font size and leading are both scaled up with the same values from your 'standard' paragraph.

    By the way, if that first frame always contains the same number of lines (or if it can be made to), you can use a Line Style (CS4 and newer). You would need to create a duplicate of your base text style, though, as otherwise it'd be applied to every paragraph; and it would need some manual tinkering if there is more than a single paragraph on that first page — i.e., it does not apply to x lines over multiple paragraphs.

  • April 15, 2010 at 4:05 pm #55529
    Theunis De Jong

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    I said

    It'll only work if your larger font size and leading are both scaled up with the same values from your 'standard' paragraph.

    – and your bigger paragraph is 13.5/18.25, while your regular ones are 10/14. The text difference is 135%, and the leading diff is 130.4%, so that doesn't compute — it ought to be 18.9 pt for the trick to be invisible. (Perhaps noone will notice a 5% difference )

    I don't have your fonts, so I can't really tell what the thing is with that first line on the left page; was that supposed to be a single first line set in yet another font? That's a sure candidate for a line style! (Although, as I already mentioned, you'd only have to apply it to the very first paragraph — the next one is based on the first one, so you'll have to remove it in there).

    To try the “Magnifier” trick on your document, do this:

    1. Select the big text frame on the left page.
    2. Enter “74%” in the Width field of your Control panel — not in the Horizontal scale field! The frame gets smaller, the text stays the same.
    3. Go to your Preferences, General field, and switch “When Scaling” to “Adjust Scaling Percentage” (I never changed it and so its default seems to be “Apply to Content”). This is what David describes in his post.
    4. Then enter “135%” in the Horizontal Scale field in the Control panel. The frame should spring back to its original size, but this time the text inside it is scaled up magically! The text size will be shown as “10 pt (13.5pt)”, its leading still as … “14 pt” (!! Bug! Bug!) but appears to be okay.
    5. Don't forget to switch the scaling Preference back, otherwise you're go crazy when scaling something else.
    6. Delete or insert some text in the “big” frame and, oh wonder of wonders!, only when the text is still inside this frame is bigger, and it'll become 'normal' again when it runs out of the frame!

    Don't forget to remove that ugly frame break at the bottom — you don't need it anymore!

    [Add.] Major Upgrade Alert — only now I see the [Converted] tag in the file name. You must have used CS3 or earlier, so you cannot use a First Line Style. This was actually a very good reason to use it…

  • April 16, 2010 at 8:27 am #55531
    Chris Vogel

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    Thank you very much for telling me how to do this, it's a neat trick.

    Actually, the sans serif in the first line doesn't extend to the end of the line so the nesting style won't work (and you're right: we're stuck in CS3 and couldn't use it anyway).

    Chris

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