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• • December 3, 2009 at 12:22 am #54089
    kjgEnergy

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    G'day all,

    Is it possible to turn off the default black line that exists on the right, and the bottom margins when creating new InDesign documents? So when I open my page it looks just like a new page in Illustrator.

    Thanks bucket loads in advance.

  • December 3, 2009 at 2:57 am #54093
    Bob Levine

    Participant

    No. You can draw a white rectangle or two and place them on the right and bottom on the master but you have to be very close. They have to to touch the page or they won't show up in the live pages, but you don't want them to be into the art.

  • December 3, 2009 at 5:51 am #54096
    kjgEnergy

    Member

    Hi Bob,

    Thanks for that, I'll just put up with them. Curious though, do you know why are they there anyway?

    kj

  • December 3, 2009 at 4:16 pm #54105
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    I'm not sure what black lines you're talking about. Do you mean the edge of the page? The right and bottom edges of the page have an extra line that is intended to be like a drop shadow to give a sense of the paper.

    Don't forget you can go in and out of Preview mode by pressing W.

  • December 3, 2009 at 10:48 pm #54121
    kjgEnergy

    Member

    Hi David,

    Yes the paper edge drop shadow lines are exactly what I'm talking about. I do understand the preview mode view thanks, my issue lies in the fact that these lines are redundant. If it doesn't need to be there why not just leave it out.

  • December 4, 2009 at 2:04 am #54126
    Dwayne Harris

    Member

    No offense intended at all to anyone, but I don't understand the problem with it. It doesn't bother me at all, but I know folks who think it's horrible and complain about it. I just don't get it. I suppose the InDesign designers can't make everyone happy.

    I'm more concerned with getting jobs done and using InDesign and not fretting about redundant lines or (as someone at work wanted) the font in the menus to be a tad bigger.

    kjgEnergy–Can I ask why you have an issue with it or feel the need to turn it off? I'm just curious is all.

    Thanks.

  • December 4, 2009 at 2:29 am #54129
    kjgEnergy

    Member

    Thanks for the reply docbud.

    Yes my concern directly relates to your very comment. “I'm more concerned with getting jobs done”

    As a junior working in prepress here's an example. I sometimes need to prepare artwork say 2 up for the offsett machines. There could be perfs, folds, scores, gutter margins etc that I need to show. When my page is zoomed right in and i'm placing all these marks it can be off putting when i'm doing this around the 'page shadow' It does slow the work flow down and can interfer with what I am seeing on screen.

    Any suggestions to solve this would be welcome.

    Cheers.

  • December 4, 2009 at 2:38 am #54130
    Dwayne Harris

    Member

    Thanks for the explanation, kjgEnergy. I'm in book publishing and I do the actual layout and pagination, and not involved in the sort of things that you do.

    I really appreciate your explanation and the insight.

    And, apologies, but I don't have any suggestions, but I'm sure the folks here will.

    Thanks again for your reply.

    doc

  • December 4, 2009 at 9:29 am #54134
    Harls

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    kjgEnergy

    For what it's worth, trust me when I tell you that it won't be long before you don't notice them at all.

    That said, I remember back in the days of Quark, there used to be an Xtension which allowed you to turn these off if you didn't like them. Perhaps some generous programmer will take your plight onboard and write one for InDesign..?

    In the meantime, here's a tip you may find useful if you frequently do a lot of the same stuff:

    Create a document that is larger than your page size and, using a box the same size as the required area as a guide, add the crop, score and perf marks to that, group the marks (omitting the box) together and save them into a Library file (don't forget to label them so you know which ones are which). That way, when you need them you can just copy them straight to a new document onto a separate layer, lock it and forget about them.

    Alternatively, you could just create a template (.indt) file with the marks preset.

    It's a personal preference, but I prefer to use libraries as it means I don't need to convert a folder full of existing template files if I upgrade my software.

    A little preparation goes a long way as you will no doubt find out as you progress in your career – you may even get a pat on the back from the boss for saving time…

    Regards,

    Harls

  • December 7, 2009 at 3:27 am #54154
    kjgEnergy

    Member

    Hi Harls thanks for the reply.

    I've only recently found out through my IDUG meeting that InDesign & Illustrator are made by two different camps. This may explain why some things look, and/or are different in either program but not both.

    I do use the (.indt) template but rarely are the files the same imposition, so there goes that idea.

    Thanks Harls I appreciate the advice.

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