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• • May 7, 2024 at 9:54 am #14403165
    Anonymous

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    I have a parent master with bleeding tabs, each in individual boxes.

    Then, I have one child master per tab. Here is child master for tab 2:

    Here is child master for tab 3:

    In the layout, if the right page has a master applied on the right page, applying the same master on the left page makes the color block disappear on the left page:

    Only when both pages of the spread have the same master is everything as it should:

    What’s going on?

  • May 7, 2024 at 9:54 am #14403180
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Milton, we don’t have any way to insert images here in this forum, but you can add a link to images (in dropbox or imgur or any image sharing site).

  • May 8, 2024 at 8:48 am #14403227
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    I can’t post my original message with image links. It produces error “You move too fast”. When I retry later it produces error “Duplicate reply detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that”.

  • May 8, 2024 at 9:10 am #14403226
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Okay seems to work now. So, let me start over…

    I have a parent master with bleeding tabs, each in individual boxes: https://www.emyamstein.ch/media/forums/cp_basetabs.png

    Then, I have one child master per tab. Here is child master for tab 2: https://www.emyamstein.ch/media/forums/cp_master_2.png

    Here is child master for tab 3: https://www.emyamstein.ch/media/forums/cp_master_3.png

    In the layout, if the right page has a master applied on the right page, applying the same master on the left page makes the color block disappear on the left page: https://www.emyamstein.ch/media/forums/cp_conflict.png

    Only when both pages of the spread have the same master is everything as it should: https://www.emyamstein.ch/media/forums/cp_same_ok.png

    What’s going on?

  • May 8, 2024 at 9:18 am #14403234
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Sorry for the trouble, Milton. Sometimes posts get held for moderation on this old forum.

    Just so I understand: On the “child master” are you deleting all the tabs except the ones you want?

    This does seem like a weird problem… seems like it should work the way you expect.

    RPN?! Wow, memories from high school! And also from years of PostScript programming, which is all stack based (such as “5 5 add”)

  • May 8, 2024 at 9:23 am #14403235
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    >> are you deleting all the tabs except the ones you want?

    Yes, exactly. The color pad is an image block on a layer separate, and behind the text block holding the white chapter number. That image block only shows a defined portion of a larger image. I’ve made it that way so I can control the complete gradient as a single image externally. Though I can’t see why this would provoke that kind of malfunction.

    RPN is great. :)

  • May 8, 2024 at 9:27 am #14403236
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    On this image: https://www.emyamstein.ch/media/forums/cp_conflict.png, on the left page, the tab text block is clearly visible (although its contents isn’t, which is normal since the text is white), but it looks like the image block behind it disappears altogether. Very strange.

  • May 8, 2024 at 9:57 am #14403239
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Wait… the color block is on a different layer? Perhaps this is a layer thing. Is the layer that the color block on the left page is on turned off/hidden?

  • May 8, 2024 at 10:00 am #14403241
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Good point, but the layer for the color block is the same for left and right pages. In other words, it is set to visible on that image.

  • May 8, 2024 at 2:54 pm #14403257
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    I can’t think of what the problem could be. If you want to send me a link to download the document, I’ll take a look and see if I can see anything obvious. If you don’t want to post a link here, you can email me directly at david [at] creativepro.com

  • May 10, 2024 at 4:14 am #14403310
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    David, thank you for your replies. I will mail you the document next week (I can’t work on this right now). In the meantime, have a nice week-end.

  • May 10, 2024 at 8:50 am #14403324
    Nick B

    Participant

    Hi Milton

    Is it possible that the coloured box for the left page is actually positioned on the right hand master page with a negative x-coordinate? If that’s the case then it would explain why the right-hand master is necessary for it to show up. What position coordinates does it show for the object?

    Nick

  • May 13, 2024 at 1:37 am #14403351
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Hi Nick,

    thanks for your suggestion. So, after some testing, here is the result:

    • horizontal coordinates of offending blocks are positive, so I guess this isn’t the problem. I’ve tried to flip the block horizontally around its vertical axis, and also flip its contents around the same axis, just to poke around, but obviously it doesn’t help.

    • I’ve discovered that the offending block will appear on the layout pages if it is entirely on the master page. What I mean is this: on the master page, if I move the offending block to the right so that its left border snaps with the page’s left border, like this:

    then this block still doesn’t appear on the layout pages. But, from there, if I move it the smallest bit to the right (0.001mm keyboard nudge to the right), then it appears on the layout pages normally.

    Any ideas?

  • May 13, 2024 at 1:51 am #14403352
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    The image which should have come after “like this:” is here: https://www.emyamstein.ch/media/forums/cp_snap.png

  • May 13, 2024 at 8:58 am #14403355
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Long shot idea: Does it make any difference if you go to Preferences dialog box > Units & Increments, and change the Origin popup menu from “Spread” to either “Page” or “Spine”?

  • May 13, 2024 at 9:03 am #14403356
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    David, good idea, but no it doesn’t make any.
    Tomorrow I’ll prepare a file and send it to your e-mail address.

  • May 21, 2024 at 12:10 am #14403589
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Hi, I couldn’t make it sooner back here. This is a sample file where the problem also occurs: https://www.emyamstein.ch/media/forums/dm32_print_manual_v1.60_test2.zip

    See how tabs appear on spreads where both pages have the same master applied, and disappear on the left page when two different masters are used for the spread.

  • May 22, 2024 at 3:28 am #14403617
    Nick B

    Participant

    Hi Milton

    I took a quick look at the Indesign file and I can’t figure out what is causing the glitch. I can say, however, that when you’ve created the child masters it looks like you’ve released all the objects from the parent master that you want to delete, except the tabs elements you want to keep. So the remaining child master tabs are still tied to the parent master. However, if you release all the objects in the child master including the tab you want to remain, then the behaviour is ‘normal’ and the tabs appear correctly where left and right pages are different.

    So, this could be a workaround but it depends if you want the individual tabs to be editable later via the BaseTabs master, and kind of defeats the point of having them as child masters unless there are other master page elements you want them to inherit.

    Nick

  • May 24, 2024 at 9:58 am #14403691
    David Blatner

    Keymaster

    Yes, as Nick said:
    If I go to the “S1 – About this User Manual” parent page and cmd-shift-click the gradient box (to detach it from the BT parent page), then it suddenly works properly.

    So it seems like there may be a bug with applying a parent page that is based on another parent page?

  • May 27, 2024 at 7:30 am #14403717
    Anonymous

    Inactive

    Thanks Nick and David for the trick, which works. It’s really not ideal but will do the trick. Still, this is not the expected behavior when dealing with “nested” master pages.

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